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Google Will Stop Reading Your Emails for Gmail Ads

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Re: Google Will Stop Reading Your Emails for Gmail Ads

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post #17

How do you know? That's the problem with closed source software, and software that runs in someone else's computer. You have no idea what it does. You aren't in control. Someone else is deciding what code runs on your computer. That's a problem.

- no ads based on scanning emails

- no scanning emails

Are different things

Re: Google Will Stop Reading Your Emails for Gmail Ads

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post #33

I never understood the argument that some automatic scanning for keywords is like "reading" your mail. By that same logic isn't Gmail's spam filter still "reading" your mail? It is classifying your mail based on content after all...

In the US a service provider is allowed to violate all manners of privacy for the express limitation of ensuring maintenance and system health. Spam blocking would qualify as maintenance, but advertising would not. I suspect Google violates all manners of privacy in an automated way for all manners of reasons and qualifies such in their terms and conditions.

Re: Google Will Stop Reading Your Emails for Gmail Ads

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post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's like my accountant reading my receipts to create my tax return versus a sleazy salesman sneaking a peek at them to find new ways to sell me stuff.

It's more like your accountant preparing your tax return for free in exchange for aggregating data about your receipts and offering you goods and services you may be interested in.

> offering you goods and services you may be interested in

The thing is: never, not even once, has Google offered me an ad with goods and services I was interested in.

Re: Google Will Stop Reading Your Emails for Gmail Ads

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post #17

How do you know? That's the problem with closed source software, and software that runs in someone else's computer. You have no idea what it does. You aren't in control. Someone else is deciding what code runs on your computer. That's a problem.

Big companies can't hide this stuff forever, you can eventually figure out, it is just better business-wise for them to just state they read your emails for ads, it can cost them a lot if they don't, plus most people don't really care.

A few weeks ago a friend and I were talking exclusively through WhatsApp about a trip to London(in Portuguese with our very unusual jargon), I didn't do any search for anything related it was all within our conversation, a couple days later Facebook had a post on my timeline saying: "heading to London? Check what your friends did there".

I don't remember reading anywhere that WhatsApp reads your conversations for ads, but it was clear to me that's where they got the information, it was spooky at first.

Re: Google Will Stop Reading Your Emails for Gmail Ads

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post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The spam filter is for my benefit, but scanning for ad keywords is designed to benefit someone else, not me.

Ads benefit both you and the other group that they connect you. You finding out about, say, a product you are interested benefits you.

In a perfect world, yes. In the real world ads are about manipulating through every psychological trick in the book to buy shit you don't need. To manipulate you into thinking brand A is better than brand B (both of which you were already aware of). Etc.

Re: Google Will Stop Reading Your Emails for Gmail Ads

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post #107

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Let's split the difference. It's like your accountant preparing your tax return in exchange for using that tax return to develop a model of your spending habits. The value of this model is more than the cost of them doing your tax returns, and in fact is such that if you were simply to collect that data yourself, sell it on the open market, and spend a portion of the proceeds on the tax prep service, you would end up…

> The value of this model is more than the cost of them doing your tax returns It's likely the value Google got out of scanning your email wasn't worth that much in terms of modelling profiles for ads. Probably because having both your search history and "anonymized" Google analytics, plus the sea of data that comes from owning Android is more than enough data that Google/Doubleclick needs. From a purely capitalist p…

Eh? That assumption of "not associating my personal identity" doesn't actually work. Your profile IS your personal identity, and can be associated trivially. If not algorithmically, then via one connecting piece of information supplied by various databases and no such agencies. You're living in a dream.

Re: Google Will Stop Reading Your Emails for Gmail Ads

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post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ads benefit both you and the other group that they connect you. You finding out about, say, a product you are interested benefits you.

In theory, yes In actuality: they are a waste of my time and mental space

That's true in the sense that having no ads at all would be better; but if you're going to be seeing ads either way, why wouldn't you want them to be ads for things relevant to your interests?

Re: Google Will Stop Reading Your Emails for Gmail Ads

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post #99

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https://gsuite.google.com/products/gmail/ About $60 a year I have about 8 accounts that I use.

It says it's exempt from ads in this specific context, but is it actually free of their data mining? If they still use the data to track and push whatever they're selling you in other contexts, the presence of the ads themselves is an ancillary concern.

According to the article it is.
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