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Re: Iowa insurance market collapse could ground young entrepreneurs' dreams

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That's probably the main factor preventing me from quitting and working for myself. Crazy high medical insurance for a family of 4. That and educational savings for kids. "Free" medical and college would cause a hell of a disruption that corporations would not like.

Do employers really negotiate that much lower health insurance rates compared to what a self-employed can get?

1) yes 2) you are assuming that it was even possible to buy health insurance as a single person prior to the ACA. I actually tried and found it incredibly difficult.

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Obamacare, the proposed trump care, its all a failure. Get rid of the employer sponsored plans, that makes no sense at all and makes me hesitant to lose my job because my health relies on it? That is simply absurd. Get rid of this. I'm so frustrated with the healthcare here and I don't understand how Washington can't come up with any real solutions

Single payer has been proposed many times and works well in the rest of the first world. Edit: Don't forget to vote every November.

It's a valid solution that will never happen. Why?

https://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE%3AUNH&fstype=ii&ei=QD1... $184B in revenue and 230k jobs gets eliminated

https://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE%3AAET&fstype=ii&ei=Zj1... $63B in revenue and 49.5k jobs get eliminated

https://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE%3AANTM&fstype=ii&ei=yj... $84B in revenue and 53k jobs get eliminated

https://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE%3AHUM&fstype=ii&ei=7j1... $54B in revenue and 51k jobs get eliminated

That's just 4 companies that total $385B and 383,500 jobs. More broadly, healthcare spending is about 20% of the US's GDP.

Re: Iowa insurance market collapse could ground young entrepreneurs' dreams

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Great for pharma stockholders, terrible for American citizens. Let's stop subsidizing drug R&D for the world on the backs of US citizens who are being squeezed to death by Washington and a for profit healthcare system.

That's a fair argument but I'm more interested in how much R&D happens under single payer systems.

> That's a fair argument but I'm more interested in how much R&D happens under single payer systems.

Half of all medical and pharmaceutical research in the world is directly funded by the US. That number doesn't include indirect funding which takes place as well - for example, pharmaceutical companies that are based in Europe (such as Astra Zeneca) often receive the funding for their research from the US, and use additional indirect funding methods to essentially subsidize their research that takes place outside the research with the money they make in the US.

The US's market share of medical research has dropped a bit in recent years, but not because countries with single-payer systems are picking up the pace - it's because the research industries in China and India have grown incredibly fast in the last five years.

Re: Iowa insurance market collapse could ground young entrepreneurs' dreams

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Great for pharma stockholders, terrible for American citizens. Let's stop subsidizing drug R&D for the world on the backs of US citizens who are being squeezed to death by Washington and a for profit healthcare system.

That's a fair argument but I'm more interested in how much R&D happens under single payer systems.

GSK is British. Novartis is Swiss. Roche is Swiss. Bayer is German. In short: plenty.

Re: Iowa insurance market collapse could ground young entrepreneurs' dreams

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That's a fair argument but I'm more interested in how much R&D happens under single payer systems.

Does the NIH and NSF not provide a pipeline for drug research in the US? Did you know the CEO of Mylan, the company that makes epipens made $98 million last year? Is that reasonable? http://money.cnn.com/2017/05/31/investing/epipen-mylan-chair...

Well the board felt it was reasonable, and I'd expect the board of a publicly traded company to know more about its finances than me.

The question was about how much R&D happens in single-payer counties, not how much one particular CEO made. I am a proponent of single-payer health care in the US but responding to unrelated, valid questions with, "yeah, but this one person made a lot of money and that makes me mad!" is ridiculous.

Re: Iowa insurance market collapse could ground young entrepreneurs' dreams

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When I read the article, I wonder how viable the business really is. The business started in 2015 and he's still below the poverty line: "He needs the subsidy, because he’s taking only about $17,000 in salary per year from the fledgling engineering company."

I attempted to run a company prior to ACA. Because I had a pre-existing condition, I had to buy COBRA. This forced me to get something running within 18 months. I also paid much more than "$100 per month" for my insurance.

18 months went by and I was nowhere. With the ACA, I might have lasted a few more months; but I'll never know if I would have gotten anywhere. Either way, after 18 months I did not have anything close to a viable business.

I think it's important that people are able to start businesses, and health insurance should not be an obstacle to that. There's a fine line, though, between fair access and an outright subsidy of a fledgling business. It's hard to see where that line is when reading this article.

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Obamacare, the proposed trump care, its all a failure. Get rid of the employer sponsored plans, that makes no sense at all and makes me hesitant to lose my job because my health relies on it? That is simply absurd. Get rid of this. I'm so frustrated with the healthcare here and I don't understand how Washington can't come up with any real solutions

The reasons Washington can't come up with real solutions are simple: ideology and money. A big chunk of Washington firmly believes that socialized medicine is evil, and they will fight it. It doesn't matter what the facts are, it's part of their identity at this point. For the rest, the desires of insurance companies and similar get in the way. For example, the main, perhaps only reason the ACA didn't include a publi…

> socialized medicine

When you put this word here, they succeeded. Socilized has a special meaning here, and it's installed through near 5 decades of propaganda (number could be wrong, you get the idea).

WHY pooling the society's resource for health care is "socialized"?!

WHY WHY WHY WHY...

When anyone examine this idea, everything falls apart. WHY? I don't know, and I will surprised anyone knows.

Re: Iowa insurance market collapse could ground young entrepreneurs' dreams

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I always wonder why, in all the coverage about health care and insurance groups "pulling out" of the marketplace, no one seems to want to state the obvious: * Insurers are not pulling out of the insurance market . * Insurers are pulling out of selling to individuals . * This is happening because selling to large groups (like entire companies) is easier/more profitable. * It is easier to sell to larger groups because…

I know what you are getting at here but almost any individual market at the state level is going to be bigger than almost any entire company from a risk pool amortization perspective.

Given that, your fourth bullet point would point in the direction of insurance companies preferring the state pools to selling to companies one at a time.

The problem with the state pools is not (for the most part) one of size, but of adverse selection.

Re: Iowa insurance market collapse could ground young entrepreneurs' dreams

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Medicaid and Medicare are heavily subsidized in practice by private insurance covered patients. Hospitals that have too high of a proportion of Medicare patients get a bonus subsidy from the government to cover up the fact that the coverage alone can't financially sustain the provider. https://www.cms.gov/Medicare/Medicare-Fee-for-Service-Paymen... If we implemented single-payer in the form of Medicare as it is now,…

But this is because Medicare reimbursement rates are set by a panel of specialists (I believe there is one internal medicine doc and then every specialty is represented, so getting a stent sure does get reimbursed well while counseling a diabetic about keeping that A1c down or working on the toe of a homeless guy get reimbursed approximately not at all) who don't necessarily care if Medicare is that fair. Tangentiall…

> But this is because Medicare reimbursement rates are set by a panel of specialists... who don't necessarily care if Medicare is that fair.

The problem is that Medicare has no incentive to ensure that their rates are sustainable (without the indirect subsidies that come from private insurers).

Medicare can balance their budget either by increasing their revenue (ie, asking Congress for more money) or by lowering their costs (ie, cutting reimbursements). They have no mandate to ensure that their reimbursements cover the marginal costs of care (and as a result, they don't). On top of that, private insurers are guaranteed by law to pay more than Medicare does, so they can set their reimbursement rates as low as they want.

This is also why the best providers almost never accept Medicare - or, if they do, they do it through a separate practice from their main one. Accepting Medicare means that you're likely going to run a loss on those patients (unless you're operating out of a CAH). So, the best doctors either segregate their Medicare patients into a separate practice (which allows them to manage their losses by capping the number of Medicare patients they see, but also dramatically reduces doctor availability from the patients' perspective), or they just drop Medicare altogether.

Re: Iowa insurance market collapse could ground young entrepreneurs' dreams

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does the NIH and NSF not provide a pipeline for drug research in the US? Did you know the CEO of Mylan, the company that makes epipens made $98 million last year? Is that reasonable? http://money.cnn.com/2017/05/31/investing/epipen-mylan-chair...

Well the board felt it was reasonable, and I'd expect the board of a publicly traded company to know more about its finances than me. The question was about how much R&D happens in single-payer counties, not how much one particular CEO made. I am a proponent of single-payer health care in the US but responding to unrelated, valid questions with, "yeah, but this one person made a lot of money and that makes me mad!" i…

That CEO only made that amount because of FDA regulations related to the manufacture of generics, as well as her family connections.

http://amp.timeinc.net/time/money/4502891/epipen-pricing-sca...

My point is that the entire for profit healthcare system in the US is broken, and it's time to burn it to the ground.

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