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Wal-Mart is telling some vendors they can’t run applications on AWS

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Re: Wal-Mart is telling some vendors they can’t run applications on AWS

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Post by sharemywin »

deegles wrote: post #138
sharemywin wrote: post #108

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Amazon is a collection of individuals. It only takes a small number of employees to circumvent the best protocols.

I'm sorry but that's ridiculous to say. If you had enough knowledge about AWS security practices to assert that, you'd know not to say it.

So they have better security protocols than say the CIA? and yet they have leaks and issues. Generally any system has a person doing something and someone looking over their shoulder. If you get to both your system is compromised.

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Post by mabbo »

sharemywin wrote: post #108
mabbo wrote: post #88

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Peeking at competitor data would be a short term great idea, long term terrible idea. You do it once, you'll do it again. You do it too many times, someone will rat you out and now your losing customers fast. Amazon may not be the most ethical company, but they've never been accused of short term thinking. It's just completely outside of what if expect from them.

Amazon is a collection of individuals. It only takes a small number of employees to circumvent the best protocols.

Except that culturally, Amazon has tens of thousands of individuals who would look at you like you had two heads if you asked them to help do it. The culture of the company would reject it. Plus, there are entire security software teams dedicated to making doing things like this harder, or practically impossible.

If someone actually authorized snooping on customer data to get a competitive advantage, you'd know. I spent five years at Amazon, and if there's one thing they instilled in you it was customer obsession. Someone would leak that it had been done just out of spite of the exec who ordered such a violation of the culture.

Re: Wal-Mart is telling some vendors they can’t run applications on AWS

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Post by ancap »

s73ver wrote: post #229
ancap wrote: post #151

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Except you're imagining power in entirely the wrong place. It is the consumers who hold all the power within a free economy. Corporations only become large and profitable in a free economy when they meet the ever increasing demands of the consumers. To quote Ludwig von Mises: The real bosses, in the capitalist system of market economy, are the consumers. They, by their buying and by their abstention from buying, deci…

That's a nice thought, but just about all of human history proves your entire thing wrong.

Such as? Please provide some examples.

Re: Wal-Mart is telling some vendors they can’t run applications on AWS

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Post by KirinDave »

LoSboccacc wrote: post #228
KirinDave wrote: post #206

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I can see where your coming from. You essentially want to end a guaranteed participatory role in civil governance. I think that's awful. You think you should have to fight and use substantial resources to have a say in how your life is lived. I do not share this belief. But it's worth pulling at one string of your argument. Work is effectively mandatory for US citizens. You cannot handle any health crisis, or even ea…

> I can see where your coming from. You essentially want to end a guaranteed participatory role in civil governance. nope, but I see that's not stopping you to go ahead and make up things about me just to hijack a high post for your tirade about social security, to which I agree in principle, but furthers nothing the argument at hand

You love freedom of speech and an open marketplace except when you're on the sharp end of it, I see.

Re: Wal-Mart is telling some vendors they can’t run applications on AWS

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Post by KirinDave »

mindcrime wrote: post #216
KirinDave wrote: post #180

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That's... Not... That's not how human cooperation and society work.

Sorry, but I really don't know what you're trying to say. Corporations are actually a violation of the way "normal human cooperation and society" work, since they break the connection between an activity and liability for that action.

I don't agree with your larger point, but I realize I didn't know the specific definitions and context you were using. I would have written a different response had we pre-agreed upon terms.

So I agree with your statement here.

Re: Wal-Mart is telling some vendors they can’t run applications on AWS

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Post by mindcrime »

KirinDave wrote: post #225
mindcrime wrote: post #214

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A company, or a business. Note that I did not say there wouldn't be business or companies... just not corporations because those are a specific legal entity that are created by the State.

You should be clearer on these definitions your using if you'd like to keep the description constructive. I certainly didn't recognize then context you were using.

Fair enough.

Re: Wal-Mart is telling some vendors they can’t run applications on AWS

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Post by KirinDave »

ancap wrote: post #233
s73ver wrote: post #229

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That's a nice thought, but just about all of human history proves your entire thing wrong.

Such as? Please provide some examples.

I don't know what the poster above you intended, but criticisms of anarcho-capitalism are a dime a dozen and largely ignored. It inevitably collapses into a feudalistic society. Can you point to an example of a sustained anarcho-capitalist society that had to maintain borders?

Can't prove a negative, you know. You gotta prove positives.

Re: Wal-Mart is telling some vendors they can’t run applications on AWS

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Post by davidf18 »

throwawaymanbot wrote: post #199
jasonwatkinspdx wrote: post #179

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Wal-Mart have always been pure bastards to their supply chain. My family had a small manufacturing business that went bankrupt years ago. At one point we were making a part that ultimately ended up on a WM product. Periodically WM's folks would come around and do a strong arm routine trying to renegotiate the contract. It got bad enough my dad adopted the habit of bringing a couple of the very burly folks that worked…

This is how Wal-Mart maintains its position, and grows to where it is today. Thats Business at their level. I sympathize however. Strong Arming small and middle sized businesses, which are the bedrock of American Capitalist Power is just egregiously scummy. This is also what I think is currently gone wrong with the American Capitalism, but thats another comment, somewhere, sometime I guess :)

But Amazon doesn't do this to their vendors.

Re: Wal-Mart is telling some vendors they can’t run applications on AWS

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Post by KirinDave »

LoSboccacc wrote: post #227
s73ver wrote: post #210

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"Luddites repeat: automation, price reduction and job shifting isn't bad for the economy and it isn't worse either" You haven't proven that. And its entirely possible that it's not worse for the economy in general, but it's quite awful for segments of it. And given the current attitude toward the safety net in the US, once those jobs are gone, that's it for those people.

you haven't proven your point either, so it remains that the original claim was unsubstantiated, which is what I was trying to asses here

You weren't trying to assess it, you were trying to assert it.

Re: Wal-Mart is telling some vendors they can’t run applications on AWS

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Post by LoSboccacc »

KirinDave wrote: post #234
LoSboccacc wrote: post #228

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> I can see where your coming from. You essentially want to end a guaranteed participatory role in civil governance. nope, but I see that's not stopping you to go ahead and make up things about me just to hijack a high post for your tirade about social security, to which I agree in principle, but furthers nothing the argument at hand

You love freedom of speech and an open marketplace except when you're on the sharp end of it, I see.

and again jumping to conclusion seems the national sport wherever you live.
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