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Re: Wal-Mart is telling some vendors they can’t run applications on AWS

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Post by mschuster91 » Wed, Jun 21, 2017, 4:15 PM UTC

Analemma_ wrote: post #167

mschuster91 wrote: post #153

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Good grace, these "business practices" are nasty. Thanks for the read.

Amazon does exactly the same thing though: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/02/17/cheap-words (focusing specifically on books, but they do it across all sectors)

When companies are able to do this, they should be broken up, period. Unfortunately we are in a system that's essentially the worst of capitalism with none of the good (and especially not with regulations), so there is no hope left and more jobs will migrate to China.

That's what Trump should tackle if he wants to stop job migration, but it seems like he's focused on anything but regulating BigCos.

Re: Wal-Mart is telling some vendors they can’t run applications on AWS

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Post by lithos » Wed, Jun 21, 2017, 4:15 PM UTC

KirinDave wrote: post #94

This is... Not the best? That Wal-Mart is powerful enough to dictate the internal business practice and tech decisions of it's vendor. On the other hand, Amazon is a massive immoral monster devouring the US economy and replacing it with something vaguely worse, year by year. It's rapidly approaching a "too big to be allowed to fail" status, and that's awful for Americans. Since anti-trust laws weren't written by a ge…

Walmart is also perfectly happy to run companies out of business by playing dirty by purposefully playing with orders and inventory. Which they have done to Field Crest when they refused to outsource to their chosen Chinese factories

Re: Wal-Mart is telling some vendors they can’t run applications on AWS

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Post by water42 » Wed, Jun 21, 2017, 4:15 PM UTC

KirinDave wrote: post #94

This is... Not the best? That Wal-Mart is powerful enough to dictate the internal business practice and tech decisions of it's vendor. On the other hand, Amazon is a massive immoral monster devouring the US economy and replacing it with something vaguely worse, year by year. It's rapidly approaching a "too big to be allowed to fail" status, and that's awful for Americans. Since anti-trust laws weren't written by a ge…

>"It shouldn't be a big surprise that there are cases in which we'd prefer our most sensitive data isn't sitting on a competitor's platform, " he said, adding that it's a "small number."

what is unreasonable about this? do you trust amazon?

Re: Wal-Mart is telling some vendors they can’t run applications on AWS

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Post by dv_dt » Wed, Jun 21, 2017, 4:17 PM UTC

KirinDave wrote: post #94

This is... Not the best? That Wal-Mart is powerful enough to dictate the internal business practice and tech decisions of it's vendor. On the other hand, Amazon is a massive immoral monster devouring the US economy and replacing it with something vaguely worse, year by year. It's rapidly approaching a "too big to be allowed to fail" status, and that's awful for Americans. Since anti-trust laws weren't written by a ge…

Actually don't requirements like this that constrain vendor dealings outside of the two parties risk running afoul of existing "restraint of trade" antitrust laws? Or perhaps Wal-Mart is taking a calculated risk that this adminstration isn't going to pursue much along these lines anyway. Still it seems like Amazon itself could pursue damages directly if it desired (I'm no lawyer though..).

Re: Wal-Mart is telling some vendors they can’t run applications on AWS

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Post by WillyOnWheels » Wed, Jun 21, 2017, 4:18 PM UTC

cholantesh wrote: post #109

KirinDave wrote: post #94

This is... Not the best? That Wal-Mart is powerful enough to dictate the internal business practice and tech decisions of it's vendor. On the other hand, Amazon is a massive immoral monster devouring the US economy and replacing it with something vaguely worse, year by year. It's rapidly approaching a "too big to be allowed to fail" status, and that's awful for Americans. Since anti-trust laws weren't written by a ge…

>Amazon is a massive immoral monster devouring the US economy and replacing it with something vaguely worse, year by year Hasn't the same thing been said about Walmart?

> Hasn't the same thing been said about Walmart?

I completely agree with it.

My hometown's retail business all goes to the Walmart super store on the outskirts of town. It's weird to be living in a Bruce Springsteen song.

Re: Wal-Mart is telling some vendors they can’t run applications on AWS

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Post by KirinDave » Wed, Jun 21, 2017, 4:19 PM UTC

MadcapJake wrote: post #166

bedhead wrote: post #156

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This kind of hyperbole is absolutely and demonstrably absurd. What a disgrace that this is the top comment.

> demonstrably absurd Please do demonstrate how it is absurd.

I welcome the discussion.

Re: Wal-Mart is telling some vendors they can’t run applications on AWS

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Post by refurb » Wed, Jun 21, 2017, 4:19 PM UTC

MadcapJake wrote: post #166

bedhead wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This kind of hyperbole is absolutely and demonstrably absurd. What a disgrace that this is the top comment.

> demonstrably absurd Please do demonstrate how it is absurd.

Because it used words like "immoral monster" and "devour the economy" without actually backing any of it up with evidence.

Re: Wal-Mart is telling some vendors they can’t run applications on AWS

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Post by KirinDave » Wed, Jun 21, 2017, 4:20 PM UTC

elif wrote: post #152

dkrich wrote: post #137

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I think concerns about Amazon becoming a monopoly are greatly exaggerated. They are getting attacked from all sides, by Microsoft in the cloud and Wal-Mart in ecommerce. As Microsoft grabs share from them in web services it'll reduce Amazon's ability to cross-subsidize its ecommerce business. As Wal-Mart and Costco continue to catch up in ecommerce and free two-day shipping becomes table stakes in ecommerce, Amazon's…

where is that pressure represented in this chart? AWS total revenue is less than a year's growth. Wal-Mart showing signs of desperation does not imply amazon's defeat. http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/56abe654c08a80431d8...

I agree. Conceptually Amazon has competitors in every field. They just don't seem to be denting Amazon's growing control.

Re: Wal-Mart is telling some vendors they can’t run applications on AWS

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Post by jasonwatkinspdx » Wed, Jun 21, 2017, 4:20 PM UTC

KirinDave wrote: post #94

This is... Not the best? That Wal-Mart is powerful enough to dictate the internal business practice and tech decisions of it's vendor. On the other hand, Amazon is a massive immoral monster devouring the US economy and replacing it with something vaguely worse, year by year. It's rapidly approaching a "too big to be allowed to fail" status, and that's awful for Americans. Since anti-trust laws weren't written by a ge…

Wal-Mart have always been pure bastards to their supply chain.

My family had a small manufacturing business that went bankrupt years ago. At one point we were making a part that ultimately ended up on a WM product. Periodically WM's folks would come around and do a strong arm routine trying to renegotiate the contract. It got bad enough my dad adopted the habit of bringing a couple of the very burly folks that worked in the fabrication shop to sit in on meetings and reduce the intimidation BS.

They are a ruthlessly scummy business and have been for a very long time.

Re: Wal-Mart is telling some vendors they can’t run applications on AWS

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Post by KirinDave » Wed, Jun 21, 2017, 4:21 PM UTC

mindcrime wrote: post #155

empath75 wrote: post #144

If libertarians don't realize that the system they're advocating for is essentially corporate feudalism, they're suckers. I'd rather have a powerful government accountable to voters than a powerful corporate oligarchy that is only accountable to shareholders.

If libertarians don't realize that the system they're advocating for is essentially corporate feudalism, they're suckers In a purely Libertarian world, there wouldn't be any corporations, since corporations are a legal fiction that depend on the State for their existence.

That's... Not... That's not how human cooperation and society work.