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European leaders call for open access to all scientific papers by 2020 (2016)

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Re: European leaders call for open access to all scientific papers by 2020 (2016)

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Post by ArneBab »

a3_nm wrote: post #52
a_bonobo wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's more to running a journal than that - you have formatting editors who make the PDF look good and give it a thorough last read (finding for me several errors that peer review never found - missing or switched references, for example). The actual per-paper costs seem to be a few hundred dollars, as written in this article: http://www.nature.com/news/open-access-the-true-cost-of-scie... Profit margins are amazin…

> you have formatting editors who make the PDF look good and give it a thorough last read (finding for me several errors that peer review never found - missing or switched references, for example). This may depend on the field, but in CS I have never seen this. There is essentially no change made by the publisher to papers, and when they do make changes, more often than not it is to introduce errors. In any case, the…

In geophysics I also see lots of polishing, and that helps the quality a lot (though you have to be vigilant as author and always check the new version lest some fix to an assumed typo changes the meaning of a sentence in a subtle-but-important way).

Re: European leaders call for open access to all scientific papers by 2020 (2016)

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Post by Thobr »

diegoprzl wrote: post #9
Thobr wrote: post #8

It is more subtle than this. Actually when having produced useful for business or politics knowledge they are hiding it, while calling others to disclose theirs. This is kind of cheating. Europe is on decline, it produces less intellectual input and so is trying this way to grab the IP of other guys without sharing to much of the little things they still can provide.

Ummm. What does open access to scientific papers has to do with what you're stating?

Nothing I guess. I think I missed the point. The other one might be that providing free online access to already published scientific papers, all of them from the beginning of the time, it's kind of ambitious project.

Re: European leaders call for open access to all scientific papers by 2020 (2016)

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Post by bostik »

type0 wrote: post #95
bostik wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I did my master's, I explicitly chose 2-clause BSD as the license for all the code I had produced as part of the thesis. My thesis project was done with, and paid for, by the university I attended. Since my work was being funded with public money, I felt it only fair to release everything with a liberal license. The review board expressly noted two things that were out of the norm with my thesis. One: I chose to…

I think that the history should be mandatory also for the comments (i.e. from your adviser or reviewer). That could apply for other scientific disciplines as well and give a very good indication on the quality of the process that the thesis went trough, sadly academics are the worst people to agree on anything.

Now this would be a novel approach. A proper review and comment history attached...

I like it. I'm actually going to toss this idea to the people I still know at my university.

Re: European leaders call for open access to all scientific papers by 2020 (2016)

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Post by Thobr »

pzh wrote: post #12
Thobr wrote: post #8

It is more subtle than this. Actually when having produced useful for business or politics knowledge they are hiding it, while calling others to disclose theirs. This is kind of cheating. Europe is on decline, it produces less intellectual input and so is trying this way to grab the IP of other guys without sharing to much of the little things they still can provide.

What you're saying is meaningless. This concerns knowledge that's already public. Open access simply means that laypeople and institutions would be able to access something for free that others are currently paying for. It's not secret in as much that books sold for profit aren't secret.

It is not clear from article, there no word published, " All scientific papers should be freely available by 2020" and "The means are still somewhat vague but the determination to reach the goal of having all scientific articles freely accessible by 2020 is welcome,"

I can decrypt it a little bit :it would be great if European leaders cared about access to articles, but there are other possibilities for example this burocratique organization need some more finances or of we consider that magazines should be recompensed so financial group controlling some publisher is lobbing it in order to make more money, in your opinion does it make sense?

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