European leaders call for open access to all scientific papers by 2020 (2016)
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Re: European leaders call for open access to all scientific papers by 2020 (2016)
#2Getting papers refereed and distributed does cost. I think many journals are now charging more than £1k for accepting papers for open access, conferences charge fees ~£.5k or more (+ travel). Of course you can submit to arXiv, but that's moderated - not refereed and is sponsored by wonderful people - but what if one day the people paying for it stop being so wonderful.
In the past the cost of papers was paid on the demand side and borne communally, now the cost is paid on the supply side. Science still values paper counts and citation counts - but it seems to me that folks who can afford publication now have an unhealthy advantage that they didn't used to!
Re: European leaders call for open access to all scientific papers by 2020 (2016)
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May. 27, 2016Re: European leaders call for open access to all scientific papers by 2020 (2016)
#4This is limited to public-funded research results, I think.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/may/28/eu-ministers...
Re: European leaders call for open access to all scientific papers by 2020 (2016)
#5Now this is an interesting development! We shall observe what comes of it, though.
Meanwhile, a group of Finnish researchers are organizing a review boycott [1] against Elsevier, one of the reasons being Elsevier's unyielding opposition to the Finnish libraries' OA requests [2].
[1] http://www.nodealnoreview.org/
[2] https://www.kiwi.fi/display/finelib/Scholarly+publications+-...
Re: European leaders call for open access to all scientific papers by 2020 (2016)
#6China can't steal all of that IP if we release it to the public first!
Just kidding of course, this is great news. The EU should still be the main beneficiary of open access science following this policy.
Re: European leaders call for open access to all scientific papers by 2020 (2016)
#7Getting papers refereed and distributed does cost. I think many journals are now charging more than £1k for accepting papers for open access, conferences charge fees ~£.5k or more (+ travel). Of course you can submit to arXiv, but that's moderated - not refereed and is sponsored by wonderful people - but what if one day the people paying for it stop being so wonderful. In the past the cost of papers was paid on the d…
In most fields, referees are volunteers, and the editors who coordinate them are volunteers or get some trivially tiny recompensation. Distribution costs of a paper should be about as high as those of a blog post.
Re: European leaders call for open access to all scientific papers by 2020 (2016)
#8It is more subtle than this. Actually when having produced useful for business or politics knowledge they are hiding it, while calling others to disclose theirs. This is kind of cheating. Europe is on decline, it produces less intellectual input and so is trying this way to grab the IP of other guys without sharing to much of the little things they still can provide.
Re: European leaders call for open access to all scientific papers by 2020 (2016)
#9It is more subtle than this. Actually when having produced useful for business or politics knowledge they are hiding it, while calling others to disclose theirs. This is kind of cheating. Europe is on decline, it produces less intellectual input and so is trying this way to grab the IP of other guys without sharing to much of the little things they still can provide.
Ummm. What does open access to scientific papers has to do with what you're stating?
Re: European leaders call for open access to all scientific papers by 2020 (2016)
#10It is more subtle than this. Actually when having produced useful for business or politics knowledge they are hiding it, while calling others to disclose theirs. This is kind of cheating. Europe is on decline, it produces less intellectual input and so is trying this way to grab the IP of other guys without sharing to much of the little things they still can provide.
[Citation needed]
Is this kind of trolling now acceptable on HN?