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Real name policies and ruling the world

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Re: Real name policies and ruling the world

#131

Post by Freak_NL »

coldtea wrote: post #55
daveFNbuck wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have to show ID every time I buy anything at Costco, regardless of whether I pay cash. I'd also note that Facebook is an age-restricted product.

> I'd also note that Facebook is an age-restricted product. Only by their policy -- whereas for alcohol it's the law.

That policy exists because of EU and US data protection laws for children under the age of 13. Facebook cannot legally allow them on their website without significantly changing the way their data is handled and requiring parental consent.

Facebook most likely doesn't mind the current state of affairs where preteens lie about their age (hook 'em early), but they do not officially condone it.

Re: Real name policies and ruling the world

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Post by Tharkun »

If I can go to a bar and talk to people without revealing my full (or real) identity, then why can't I do the same online? "Real name policies" don't make any sense to me. The meatspace analogies are all flawed. The pretty server at the bakery doesn't know my name, and she doesn't need to. We can be perfectly civil to one another without crossing that boundary.

Re: Real name policies and ruling the world

#133

Post by Freak_NL »

Asooka wrote: post #76
daveFNbuck wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you agree that you would have the authority to ask to take a picture of someone's identification before allowing them into your house?

I think you don't have that authority over here in Europe. I'll have to read our law for the protection of personal data again, but I know for a fact employers can't just ask to see your ID (to make sure you're who you say you are on your CV, etc.) without first showing you a document verifying that the way they store that data is in-line with said law. Pretty much the only ones who can see your ID without showing pr…

Employers are usually required by law to inspect your ID upon hiring you. There is no requirement to show any proof of audit. This is certainly the case in the Netherlands.

Re: Real name policies and ruling the world

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Post by Freak_NL »

dandelion_lover wrote: post #18
tyrw wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Still use all those things to your heart's content; just don't create a Facebook account...

When 99% of your friends use Facebook, it becomes very hard to avoid it [0]. If you want to advertise your new book among them, what would you do, for example? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_effect

Send them an email? Call them? Send them a postcard? Send a text message?

Re: Real name policies and ruling the world

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Post by pricechild »

Tharkun wrote: post #132

If I can go to a bar and talk to people without revealing my full (or real) identity, then why can't I do the same online? "Real name policies" don't make any sense to me. The meatspace analogies are all flawed. The pretty server at the bakery doesn't know my name, and she doesn't need to. We can be perfectly civil to one another without crossing that boundary.

You can't behave badly in meatspace and expect to maintain anonymity either.

Say for example if you cause damage? You might be arrested, ordered to provide compensation etc.?

Re: Real name policies and ruling the world

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Post by Tharkun »

pricechild wrote: post #136
Tharkun wrote: post #132

If I can go to a bar and talk to people without revealing my full (or real) identity, then why can't I do the same online? "Real name policies" don't make any sense to me. The meatspace analogies are all flawed. The pretty server at the bakery doesn't know my name, and she doesn't need to. We can be perfectly civil to one another without crossing that boundary.

You can't behave badly in meatspace and expect to maintain anonymity either. Say for example if you cause damage? You might be arrested, ordered to provide compensation etc.?

Depends on how badly I behave. It's perfectly well within my rights to call anyone in the bar a cunt. Some might be offended. There might be an argument. I might be asked to leave. There might even be fisticuffs. But at no point during any of that will my real identity matter an iota.

Re: Real name policies and ruling the world

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Post by dredmorbius »

"In practice, the forced revelation of information makes individual privilege and power more important. When everyone has to play with their cards on the table, so to speak, then people who feel like they can be themselves without consequence do so freely -- these generally being people with support groups of like-minded people, and who are neither economically nor physically vulnerable. People who are more vulnerable to consequences use concealment as a method of protection: it makes it possible to speak freely about controversial subjects, or even about any subjects, without fear of harassment."

Yonatan Zunger, former chief architect of Google+, writing after thevservice had rescinded its Real Names policy.

https://plus.google.com/+YonatanZunger/posts/WegYVNkZQqq

Re: Real name policies and ruling the world

#139

Post by dredmorbius »

varjag wrote: post #67
pjc50 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Accountability and de-anonymisation (which with enough information turns into "doxxing") are not the same thing. For twitter, people don't need to know who the persistent abusers are on their government ID, only that there are rules and they will be effectively banned if the rules are broken. De-anonymisation enables random mobs to apply "accountability" through death threats offline. For some people this is a seriou…

Is authorization generally possible without authentication?

Yes.

Re: Real name policies and ruling the world

#140

Post by zyx321 »

grandalf wrote: post #73

By requiring real names, Facebook is trying to combat the sort of social discord that occurs on sites like Reddit where people routinely abandon identities, or create throwaway identities to participate in specific fora. Imagine if car license plates had our name and home address on them, would we be as likely to commit road rage, pick our noses, double park, etc. Facebook sees itself as a commons first, and the prod…

Adding to that, allowing pseudonyms enables people to commit such heinous crimes as Hate Speech, Blasphemy, or even Promoting Homosexuality.

Can you imagine a world where those Godless Nazifaggots go unpunished?

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