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Real name policies and ruling the world

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Re: Real name policies and ruling the world

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Post by Normal_gaussian »

blfr wrote: post #85
carvalho wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Europe there is a mindset that companies can become so big that you can not avoid them anymore. Nobody forces you to use Google or Facebook, but you are put at a disadvantage if you do not use them. Facebook is not free. You trade your data for usage.

Google? Maybe. Facebook? I would argue that using Facebook is a net negative and you're at an advantage if you ditch it.

For uk students Facebook is almost a requirement of the social life. Few people have other contact lists, if you aren't on Facebook you can't be contacted. Event invitation is done through Facebook - the event is rarely advertised elsewhere nor is it a deliberate topic conversation.

The few people I knew who didn't use Facebook at uni ended up using it through others whether they are were willing to admit it or not.

Re: Real name policies and ruling the world

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Post by ng12 »

DanBC wrote: post #97
ng12 wrote: post #52

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Seriously. Twitter gets crucified for a lack of accountability, now Facebook gets criticized for having too much. You can't embrace online anonymity only when it benefits you.

I don't see why it's confusing. Bob can have whatever name they want. They don't get to threaten to rape and murder another user.

So what do you do with Bob when he re-registers as Dave?

Re: Real name policies and ruling the world

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Post by [deleted] »

DanBC wrote: post #97
ng12 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously. Twitter gets crucified for a lack of accountability, now Facebook gets criticized for having too much. You can't embrace online anonymity only when it benefits you.

I don't see why it's confusing. Bob can have whatever name they want. They don't get to threaten to rape and murder another user.

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Re: Real name policies and ruling the world

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Post by atomi »

jhvh1134 wrote: post #10

I've had a clearly fake name on Facebook for years. A couple weeks ago I got message from one of their reps, letting me know that there was an issue about my name, and that it was currently being reviewed. I had no intention to link that account to my real name, as it was mostly political whining and interaction with a few close friends. I basically told them that I wouldn't change the name and that they should just…

Because real name policies are like putting a band-aid on a cancer patient. The biggest difference is that anonymity on the internet is a feature not a bug. If your service relies on having real names to prevent TOS violations you're going to have a bad time.

http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Who_is_harmed_by_a_%22Rea...

Re: Real name policies and ruling the world

#105

Post by DroFlow »

Karunamon wrote: post #61
killer1loop wrote: post #43

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Being naive means refusing to recognize that most people confuse the internet with facebook. Most true in developing countries, where facebook's plan for universal internet access includes setting facebook as their homepage.

> most people confuse the internet with facebook. Citation needed.

"Most" is an exaggeration. But it's a ton of people. https://qz.com/333313/milliions-of-facebook-users-have-no-id...

Re: Real name policies and ruling the world

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Post by daveFNbuck »

z3t4 wrote: post #21
daveFNbuck wrote: post #17

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Facebook can ask for identification under the same authority that you can ask to see someone's identification before letting them into your house.

i think facebook is more like public space. more like a club then a private home.

Clubs aren't public spaces. Clubs often require ID before they'll let you in.

Re: Real name policies and ruling the world

#107

Post by daveFNbuck »

Asooka wrote: post #76
daveFNbuck wrote: post #20

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Do you agree that you would have the authority to ask to take a picture of someone's identification before allowing them into your house?

I think you don't have that authority over here in Europe. I'll have to read our law for the protection of personal data again, but I know for a fact employers can't just ask to see your ID (to make sure you're who you say you are on your CV, etc.) without first showing you a document verifying that the way they store that data is in-line with said law. Pretty much the only ones who can see your ID without showing pr…

If the law describes what you have to do to legally ask to see someone's ID, doesn't that imply that you can legally ask to see someone's ID as long as you comply with the requirements?

Re: Real name policies and ruling the world

#108

Post by oliv__ »

kevingadd wrote: post #5
raverbashing wrote: post #3

"Naive, dangerous and evil" is a good description of most things involving Fb and its founder (maybe not Naive in the latter case)

FB seems like an example of how a team can go from accidentally naive to intentionally naive because it has advantages for engineering or revenue. :(

I'm pretty sure all naiveté is accidental. There's a word for intentional naiveté: manipulation.

Re: Real name policies and ruling the world

#109

Post by saurik »

Normal_gaussian wrote: post #101
blfr wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google? Maybe. Facebook? I would argue that using Facebook is a net negative and you're at an advantage if you ditch it.

For uk students Facebook is almost a requirement of the social life. Few people have other contact lists, if you aren't on Facebook you can't be contacted. Event invitation is done through Facebook - the event is rarely advertised elsewhere nor is it a deliberate topic conversation. The few people I knew who didn't use Facebook at uni ended up using it through others whether they are were willing to admit it or not.

I live at a University in California where I am part-time faculty, and if you don't use Facebook you are essentially screwed: even local government ends up using Facebook as its primary means of disseminating information as literally no on reading uses anything but Facebook for events and the web is sadly dead (it only has meaning if linked to from a Facebook post).

Re: Real name policies and ruling the world

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Post by [deleted] »

newscracker wrote: post #46

It's been known for a long time that the "authentic name" policy is dangerous and is used as a device of suppression on many people. [1] [2] But Facebook, in its desire to target ads and network connections based on real names, has not shown much interest in removing that policy and allowing pseudonyms. Even now the policy and its enforcement are not clear, and what happens depends on the flagging system and who revi…

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