If you've been fingerprinted and identified, ever, you should be able to get copies of all necessary IDs from that alone.
The cruel Catch-22 of being poor with no ID
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Re: The cruel Catch-22 of being poor with no ID
#32Let's see how racist voter id laws really are: https://youtu.be/llDM-44Zb8w
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Malice seems unlikely. On the contrary, I suspect that is the most likely explanation. See, if there were any other explanation then the government would go out of its way to provide people without identification with the right identification. > There has to be some way to prove your identity There are many ways, for instance in some countries several citizens themselves in the possession of valid identification go…
Even if the government issues me a free ID I don't have to carry it and I can tell anyone who asks that I am my brother
Just like snow equipment is mandatory to have in your car but nobody cared until you cause an accident or traffic jam because you didn't put chains on.
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
>"engineered to simply keep people in the hole once they through misfortune or carelessness slip up" This seems like a pretty extraordinary claim made pretty casually. What would motivate someone to intentionally prevent poor people from helping themselves? It seems much more likely a case of straightforward government dysfunction enabled by all the usual factors that make the government suck at accomplishing things.…
> What would motivate someone to intentionally prevent poor people from helping themselves? Less social security to be paid out. Once homeless the way back is super hard, and to receive social security you have to have a registered address and to have a registered address you need ID. So good luck reversing that.
That, and fewer people voting for democrats.
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#35Re: The cruel Catch-22 of being poor with no ID
#36So she didn't have any opportunity over the forty years prior to secure any of those documents? Having to deal with something like this at the same time as being evicted and losing your mother is very sad, but that's not an excuse. It's a human interest story.
> Having to deal with something like this at the same time as being evicted and losing your mother is very sad, but that's not an excuse. It's the perfect excuse. Once you have no registered address it is only a matter of time before you gain the accumulated 'benefits' that come with having no status at all. Essentially you become an un-person, and your life is just about forfeit. [1] I take it that you have not expe…
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
Assuming you're still at the same address (which she was) She was evicted from her previous address!
And the older comment by that same user already acknowledges that.
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
Social security cards and birth certificates do not expire. Drivers licenses do expire, generally at 4-6 year time frames. Assuming you're still at the same address (which she was), most states allow one to renew it through the mail. Checking a box, signing a card, and paying a nominal fee once every four years does not seem particularly onerous to me. Though if it were up to me the fee would be entirely eliminated.
Assuming you're still at the same address (which she was) She was evicted from her previous address!
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#39Got to keep those poor people away from the polls. It's interesting how the government here - NL - makes it mandatory for those over 14 to have a photo ID of sorts at all times and charges money for those. A government issued ID should be free of charge, especially if it is required by the government to have one, and they set the prices. That's still a lot better than the situation described in the article which seem…
>"engineered to simply keep people in the hole once they through misfortune or carelessness slip up" This seems like a pretty extraordinary claim made pretty casually. What would motivate someone to intentionally prevent poor people from helping themselves? It seems much more likely a case of straightforward government dysfunction enabled by all the usual factors that make the government suck at accomplishing things.…
A theology that holds that god rewards the just and thus the poor must be so because they're wicked and/or a fucked up reading of the phrase "the poor will always be with you"
A desire to 'prove' an economic philosophy that the poor brought it on themselves by creating a self perpetuating spiral of doom and then pointing to people that get caught in it as proof.
Racism and a general supposition that these policies affect those people over there to a sufficient degree that these people over here are an acceptable loss.
Just being a fucking dick.
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#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
Mate ID's expire every 6 years. Expired ID's are not valid ID's.
Social security cards and birth certificates do not expire. Drivers licenses do expire, generally at 4-6 year time frames. Assuming you're still at the same address (which she was), most states allow one to renew it through the mail. Checking a box, signing a card, and paying a nominal fee once every four years does not seem particularly onerous to me. Though if it were up to me the fee would be entirely eliminated.
...and paying a fee. Given that the article is about being poor, that's a non-trivial omission.