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The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea

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Re: The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea

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The job of NSA is getting easier by the day. Blame it on the boogeyman du jour and have the media present it to the masses as ironclad evidence. What happened to the actual, you know, national security? You can't have it without working on preventive measures. How about we start with something tangible, like government infrastructure, power grid, etc, and make them darn near impenetrable. Think you could do that, NSA…

> Blame it on the boogeyman du jour and have the media present it to the masses as ironclad evidence

It says right in the article that the assessment was "issued internally last week and has not been made public". Until it's made public, it's unreasonable to expect them to provide evidence.

> government infrastructure That's not really their responsibility

> power grid That's the private sector's job. Congress has to yell at the industry to get them to do it[1]. Yet they still fail [2].

I don't trust the NSA either, but come on, be reasonable. If everyone just rambled incoherently, they would overshadow the legitimate complaints.

[1]: http://www.nextgov.com/cybersecurity/2008/05/hill-regulatory... [2]: http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/261310-congress-stru...

Re: The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea

#172
post #129

The only rational response to this is deep, deep skepticism. In the old days of the USSR, while very difficult, it was at least conceivable that you could just fly to moscow and see if they were eating their children there or burning priests or god knows whatever else. There was a natural limit to the deception that could occur and further a normal person could make conclusions about the things they saw with their ow…

It's good to have some skepticism, but I wouldn't underestimate North Korea's technical capabilities. After all they have been able to build an atom bomb, that's an accomplishment that is far more complicated than writing a computer worm.

Re: The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea

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post #66

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Re: The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea

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post #129

The only rational response to this is deep, deep skepticism. In the old days of the USSR, while very difficult, it was at least conceivable that you could just fly to moscow and see if they were eating their children there or burning priests or god knows whatever else. There was a natural limit to the deception that could occur and further a normal person could make conclusions about the things they saw with their ow…

So, very cut down, you're saying that the US are implicating North Korea because they know they can, because they think that "normal civilian joes" don't know anything about NK?

I'de say it's highly likely too, but what we need to find out is why would the US deep-state do this? Is there a specific motive for the US deep-state haphazardly implicating NK, other than, just maybe, the NSA got their hands on some evidence that we aren't aware of?

Re: The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea

#176

The job of NSA is getting easier by the day. Blame it on the boogeyman du jour and have the media present it to the masses as ironclad evidence. What happened to the actual, you know, national security? You can't have it without working on preventive measures. How about we start with something tangible, like government infrastructure, power grid, etc, and make them darn near impenetrable. Think you could do that, NSA…

> Blame it on the boogeyman du jour and have the media present it to the masses as ironclad evidence It says right in the article that the assessment was "issued internally last week and has not been made public". Until it's made public, it's unreasonable to expect them to provide evidence. > government infrastructure That's not really their responsibility > power grid That's the private sector's job. Congress has to…

It has been "made public", since we, the public, are talking about it here. If it was some BS government agency, I'd assume the leak wasn't intentional, but with NSA I choose to assume otherwise, for obvious reasons.

>> that's not their responsibility

Then what the fuck are my taxes paying for? Weaponized zero days that leak out from there on a regular basis? Mass wiretapping? Undermining democratically elected government?

Re: The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea

#177
post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Remember Noam was the same guy who for political reasons did not want to believe Pol Pot was mowing through millions http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-01/brull---the-boring-tru... If the best criticism of Chomsky is from 40 years ago, and about Pol Pot - a person Chomsky believes is a mass murderer, I think Chomsky is doing quite well. > Additionally, there is no need to "manufacture consent" as only a very small…

>If the best criticism of Chomsky is from 40 years ago He's a politically, nay, ideologically motivated individual --i.e. he presents his version of a story to which there could be multiple sides with multiple interpretations, but his is "right". You can witness the same again when he more recently shrugged off 9-11 because he said, oh, well, the US committed similar atrocity by bombing a pill factory in the Sudan. H…

> He's a politically, nay, ideologically motivated individual > He can be downright intellectually lazy > He also sympathized with Milosevic.

Ad-hominem is all well and good, but is there any specific objection that you have to any claim by Chomsky. The only specific objection anyone has is that he did not fully believe the scale of atrocities by Pol Pot as reported by US authorities in 1975. Reports that he subsequently accepted - Chomsky later stated, "I mean the great act of genocide in the modern period is Pol Pot, 1975 through 1978 - that atrocity - I think it would be hard to find any example of a comparable outrage and outpouring of fury."

It is hard to take any criticism of Chomsky seriously if it always devolves to comments about what kind of person he is and what he always likes to think, instead of specific objections to any claim he has made.

This is Chomsky's take, what is your specific objection? https://www.samharris.org/blog/item/the-limits-of-discourse > Or take the destruction of the Al-Shifa pharmaceutical plant in Sudan, one little footnote in the record of state terror, quickly forgotten. What would the reaction have been if the bin Laden network had blown up half the pharmaceutical supplies in the U.S. and the facilities for replenishing them? We can imagine, though the comparison is unfair, the consequences are vastly more severe in Sudan. That aside, if the U.S. or Israel or England were to be the target of such an atrocity, what would the reaction be? In this case we say, “Oh, well, too bad, minor mistake, let’s go on to the next topic, let the victims rot.” Other people in the world don’t react like that. When bin Laden brings up that bombing, he strikes a resonant chord, even among those who despise and fear him; and the same, unfortunately, is true of much of the rest of his rhetoric.

> Though it is merely a footnote, the Sudan case is nonetheless highly instructive. One interesting aspect is the reaction when someone dares to mention it. I have in the past, and did so again in response to queries from journalists shortly after 9-11 atrocities. I mentioned that the toll of the “horrendous crime” of 9-11, committed with “wickedness and awesome cruelty” (quoting Robert Fisk), may be comparable to the consequences of Clinton’s bombing of the Al-Shifa plant in August 1998. That plausible conclusion elicited an extraordinary reaction, filling many web sites and journals with feverish and fanciful condemnations, which I’ll ignore. The only important aspect is that single sentence—which, on a closer look, appears to be an understatement—was regarded by some commentators as utterly scandalous. It is difficult to avoid the conclusion that at some deep level, however they may deny it to themselves, they regard our crimes against the weak to be as normal as the air we breathe. Our crimes, for which we are responsible: as taxpayers, for failing to provide massive reparations, for granting refuge and immunity to the perpetrators, and for allowing the terrible facts to be sunk deep in the memory hole. All of this is of great significance, as it has been in the past.

also https://chomsky.info/200601__/

You also managed to miss Chomsky's comparison of 9/11 to the 9/11 of 1973.

https://chomsky.info/20110906/

> Unfortunately, it is not a thought experiment. It happened. The only inaccuracy in this brief account is that the numbers should be multiplied by 25 to yield per capita equivalents, the appropriate measure. I am, of course, referring to what in Latin America is often called “the first 9/11”: September 11, 1973, when the U.S. succeeded in its intensive efforts to overthrow the democratic government of Salvador Allende in Chile with a military coup that placed General Pinochet’s brutal regime in office. The goal, in the words of the Nixon administration, was to kill the “virus” that might encourage all those “foreigners [who] are out to screw us” to take over their own resources and in other ways to pursue an intolerable policy of independent development. In the background was the conclusion of the National Security Council that, if the US could not control Latin America, it could not expect “to achieve a successful order elsewhere in the world.”

>> If you call that manufactured consent then that term has lost all meaningful distinction.

What?

Re: The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea

#178
post #129

The only rational response to this is deep, deep skepticism. In the old days of the USSR, while very difficult, it was at least conceivable that you could just fly to moscow and see if they were eating their children there or burning priests or god knows whatever else. There was a natural limit to the deception that could occur and further a normal person could make conclusions about the things they saw with their ow…

> Now, the enemy that "we have always been at war with" ... is attacking us with secret cyber weapons that only a domain expert with highly specialized experience could even recognize, much less qualify.

WannaCry is a wormable implementation of a leaked NSA exploit. Maybe not "trivial", but this wasn't exactly Stuxnet.

I frankly don't share the knee-jerk skepticism of many in this comment section, and certainly not based on the DPRK's alleged incompetence : this attack is well within their capability.

Re: The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea

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post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Remember Noam was the same guy who for political reasons did not want to believe Pol Pot was mowing through millions http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-01/brull---the-boring-tru... If the best criticism of Chomsky is from 40 years ago, and about Pol Pot - a person Chomsky believes is a mass murderer, I think Chomsky is doing quite well. > Additionally, there is no need to "manufacture consent" as only a very small…

>If the best criticism of Chomsky is from 40 years ago He's a politically, nay, ideologically motivated individual --i.e. he presents his version of a story to which there could be multiple sides with multiple interpretations, but his is "right". You can witness the same again when he more recently shrugged off 9-11 because he said, oh, well, the US committed similar atrocity by bombing a pill factory in the Sudan. H…

How about you actually quote the man, your own account of what you think you remember is completely uninteresting.

Re: The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea

#180
post #129

The only rational response to this is deep, deep skepticism. In the old days of the USSR, while very difficult, it was at least conceivable that you could just fly to moscow and see if they were eating their children there or burning priests or god knows whatever else. There was a natural limit to the deception that could occur and further a normal person could make conclusions about the things they saw with their ow…

I share your skepticism as well, but I wouldn't be too dismissive of North Korean Cyber capabilities either. They do have a specialized cyber warfare unit, handpick and train their soldiers extremely intensively ( https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/dec/02/north-kor... ). Their performances in other international competitions, like the International Math Olympiad ( https://www.imo-official.org/country_team_r.…

For that you need intellectuals, and the NK systems killed most of them, and is not tuned to produce new ones. It's very hard to destroy criticism and grow people who can think.
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