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Re: Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads

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Post by cableshaft »

throwaway56609 wrote: post #184
cableshaft wrote: post #176

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Yeah, helped confirm what I'd suspected for awhile now. Chicago is garbage for compensation compared to other major cities. It's apparently difficult to break six figures as a senior dev here, that really shouldn't happen. Dammit, I don't want to leave, but I'm tired of seeing other places get 50-150% higher salaries and bonuses.

> It's apparently difficult to break six figures as a senior dev here Where did you hear that? If you're a legitimate senior dev with marketable skills you shouldn't have a problem hitting six figures in Chicago.

Glass door salaries, salary ranges posted on stack overflow jobs (and other job sites), the salary ranges in the job descriptions recruiters send my way. I guess it's not too uncommon to see 110k or sometimes 120k as the max for posted salary ranges, but it's rare to see anything more than that. And the averages that I see is usually 90-100k. It feels to me like compensation should be much higher than that though, especially compared to other major cities (even considering the cost of living adjustment for SF).

I mostly look at .NET or iOS job postings, sometimes Python. iOS used to be higher, it seems to be going down lately. Pretty common I see ~90k for a senior dev posting for that.

Also, some of the jobs I get contacted about are video game industry (used to be in that industry), which are like 20% lower than other jobs on average anyway, especially around here.

Re: Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads

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Post by mlent »

morgtheborg wrote: post #183
mlent wrote: post #146

Who here has actually interviewed Bootcamp graduates? I've had people who didn't know the difference between an object and an array, and people who had to comment their way through implementing a function that replicates "filter" in javascript. I really don't buy it that people straight out of Bootcamp can land a job at any of these companies at such salaries. You need a lot more background knowledge before that. Or…

> I've had people who didn't know the difference between an object and an array, and people who had to comment their way through implementing a function that replicates "filter" in javascript. I don't know a single person from my cohort who fits that description...and we aren't the most selective bootcamp by far.

Yeah, I was also shocked that you can graduate a bootcamp without understanding that. But I watched candidates building a React app with Redux and literally not understanding, when you ask them to declare an array, what you even mean by that...

Re: Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads

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Post by TurboHaskal »

simon83 wrote: post #228
trampi wrote: post #223

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Hi Simon, thank you for that reflected statement! May I ask you in which city you live? I am a developer living in Munich. I started my first full time job in last november with 49k€ entry-level salary (Christmas bonus included). I have got a masters degree in computer science. My project lead (who has not studied) told me, that the requirement for having studied started being a thing in the last years - when he bega…

I currently live in Stuttgart, which is apparently slightly less expensive than Munich. I don't think a 49k€ entry level salary for someone with a masters is good. It's probably enough to afford the basic necessities and a small apartment in Munich, but that's it. But then again, most companies seem to think this is good enough, it's so surreal. I've been told many times in the past that a degree is not that importan…

49k is quite good. I know of engineers that started out with 35k. Masters with 40k.

Re: Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads

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Post by simon83 »

TurboHaskal wrote: post #233
simon83 wrote: post #228

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I currently live in Stuttgart, which is apparently slightly less expensive than Munich. I don't think a 49k€ entry level salary for someone with a masters is good. It's probably enough to afford the basic necessities and a small apartment in Munich, but that's it. But then again, most companies seem to think this is good enough, it's so surreal. I've been told many times in the past that a degree is not that importan…

49k is quite good. I know of engineers that started out with 35k. Masters with 40k.

That's exactly my point, these salary ranges are "normal" here. For the average developer with little responsibilities in life this may be more than enough. And so goes my theory, but please don't quote me on that: IT workers are undervalued because most of them only need a computer, internet access, a comfortable bed and fast food to live a happy life. And so they just accept whatever they are offered, because they don't need that much money. And why would you pay someone a lot of money to do something he/she loves doing anyway? We are being exploited in my opinion. CS is no simple stuff and not everyone is capable of working in that field.

Re: Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads

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Post by lightninglu10 »

I don't know if this has been said yet, but this probably has heavy response bias. If you're a bootcamp grad making 70k per year, you probably won't report it.

The top 5-10 kids from each bootcamp per year probably make these high salaries. It's been years so there's a ton of them around. The others probably aren't making something this high.

Re: Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads

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Post by hlc »

pc86 wrote: post #227
dsacco wrote: post #72

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> it's normal for a Software Engineer to make this much Yeah I wouldn't say "normal" (how should we quantify that?), but they do exist. Most engineers at Google, Facebook, etc. don't pass the senior level, and that's the last engineering rung everyone is expected to at least achieve. But if you do know staff or senior staff engineers at Google and Facebook working in NYC or SF, it is disproportionately likely that th…

> in total compensation offers amortized over four years. Which is an incredibly disingenuous way to phrase it. As a new graduate you can't pay rent with stock grants that vest in 48 months. The value of $1 worth of stock 4 year from now is work a small fraction of $1 in someone's paycheck today, especially when they're just starting out. That $120k "in coastal cities" (just say NYC/SF) is closer to $75-80k in cash c…

Almost all new grad offers vest 25% of equity in one year, then it is typically monthly, quarterly at most.

Re: Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads

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Post by hlc »

ryandrake wrote: post #37
overcast wrote: post #12

Honestly was expecting a lot more, considering the salaries people throw around on Hacker News. Using http://www.bankrate.com/calculators/savings/moving-cost-of-l... the adjusted value for $136,000 in SF to where I live in New York is a decent chunk less. Especially being in a DevOps/Systems role, and not a Software Dev one.

Everyone on HN makes $200K+, drives a BMW and has a supermodel for a partner. Whenever salary comes up, there's always someone here who knows someone whose brother's girlfriend's room-mate makes $400K at Google, and therefore it's normal for a Software Engineer to make this much. The averages in this spreadsheet seem to agree roughly with average/median for the Bay Area as reported by Glassdoor[1] and Payscale[2]. 1:…

If you are staff engineer or above, you are almost certainly making > 400k in total comp if you are in a high cost of living area.

Big part of that is due to the fact that if you are staff engineer or above, you've been at google for awhile, and google stock has done very well.

Re: Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads

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Post by Rezo »

simon83 wrote: post #174
mlent wrote: post #150

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What area of software development are you in?

I'm currently working as a web developer, with a focus on frontend development.

You should put some way of contacting you in your HN profile, or message me if you're open to remote work.
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