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Re: Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads

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Post by Washuu »

nloa wrote: post #220
Washuu wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In less technology oriented areas of the USA making $35,000 to $40,000 as a fresh graduate is pretty reasonable. That was my experience along with others in the rural area I grew up around. The only way to really break past that was to be willing to move to a new area.

Thanks, reading this gives me a better feeling about my 40k salary in Germany. Reading about 120k+ somewhere else is weird.

To put it in more perspective I moved to a place with a similar cost of living, but more technology oriented/in demand. This had the effect of doubling my salary.

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Post by somethingsometh »

learc83 wrote: post #210
poikniok wrote: post #202

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I am confident that one could learn enough algorithms in 12 weeks to pass the Google interview with no prior programming experience. One just needs to focus on competitive programming problems, start from the bottom, and work 50hrs a week.

I will donate $100 to a charity of your choice if you can find me one person who went from zero coding experience to passing a Google interview in 12 weeks. 12 weeks is barley enough time to get the jargon down.

I'll add $100 to the pot

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Post by trampi »

simon83 wrote: post #171
jk2323 wrote: post #148

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This is 2800 € net per month. A refugee on welfare would get approximately 400 per adult plus 300 per kid plus rent paid (and free insurance). For a family of four this is 1400 Euro. Let's assume 1000 for rent in a city. This is 2400 so basically the same that you have. For not working. Germany has Syrian refuges that have 4 wifes and 23 kids. You do the math! http://www.rhein-zeitung.de/region/lokales/westerwald_art…

Personally I don't mind at all that the refugees get this money. I'm glad they get some help, I just hope they make something out of it (which is not so easy in a rather unwelcoming society). I keep hearing people say "they" take away "our" money, which is just a ridiculously tiny amount in the grand scheme of things. You never had the control where the money goes to to begin with. "Your" money could as well be spent…

Hi Simon, thank you for that reflected statement! May I ask you in which city you live?

I am a developer living in Munich. I started my first full time job in last november with 49k€ entry-level salary (Christmas bonus included). I have got a masters degree in computer science. My project lead (who has not studied) told me, that the requirement for having studied started being a thing in the last years - when he began, nobody asked for that.

Re: Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads

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Post by Keats »

chambo622 wrote: post #15
seanhandley wrote: post #14

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You're kidding me. I'm in the UK, 10 years dev experience, BSc Computer Science. Every single salary in that list is higher than mine.

Based on talking to peers at my company who work in the UK, and corroborating stories from friends at similar companies, UK salaries are dramatically lower across the board.

You can replace "UK" by "the rest of the world" and it would still be accurate. For example, UK has probably the highest salaries in Europe.

Re: Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads

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Post by ajdlinux »

learc83 wrote: post #80

Look at the company names, I'm not buying this for graduates of a 12 week bootcamp. Either this bootcamp is very selective in who they admit, or they are very selective in which salaries they show. The only way you're passing multiple rounds of interviews at google/facebook/big name sv company after 12 weeks of study is if you already had a significant knowledge base before hand, you're some kind of algorithms savant…

The one App Academy graduate I know is an algorithms savant who went in with a significant knowledge base and managed to get his App Academy experience credited towards his CS undergraduate degree.

I'm led to believe that a/A is just very selective and not necessarily like what people usually think of when they think of coding bootcamp cohorts.

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Post by pc86 »

throwaway2016a wrote: post #111
Cyclone_ wrote: post #101

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$110K as a CTO does seem low to me. Do you mind if I ask where you live?

New Hampshire. But commuting distance to Boston, MA since I live on the border and Boston is pretty close to the border. I started as a Senior Software Engineer and kept getting promoted but not getting any higher pay. As a Senior Software Engineer in 2013 it was great pay. CTO in 2017... not so much. For various reasons I'm eating the lower pay though. It's rough but I'm ok with it for now.

I make within $5k of you and live in semi-suburban/semi-rural Pennsylvania (not near Philly or Pittsburgh!). COL is in the high 80's where national median is 100. I'm not even in management. My boss is in the $130-140 range and his boss is probably $180-200. (Glassdoor is a beautiful thing)

For your retirement account alone you need to get a better job with something at least approaching a market rate salary.

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Post by pc86 »

dsacco wrote: post #72
ryandrake wrote: post #37

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Everyone on HN makes $200K+, drives a BMW and has a supermodel for a partner. Whenever salary comes up, there's always someone here who knows someone whose brother's girlfriend's room-mate makes $400K at Google, and therefore it's normal for a Software Engineer to make this much. The averages in this spreadsheet seem to agree roughly with average/median for the Bay Area as reported by Glassdoor[1] and Payscale[2]. 1:…

> it's normal for a Software Engineer to make this much Yeah I wouldn't say "normal" (how should we quantify that?), but they do exist. Most engineers at Google, Facebook, etc. don't pass the senior level, and that's the last engineering rung everyone is expected to at least achieve. But if you do know staff or senior staff engineers at Google and Facebook working in NYC or SF, it is disproportionately likely that th…

> in total compensation offers amortized over four years.

Which is an incredibly disingenuous way to phrase it. As a new graduate you can't pay rent with stock grants that vest in 48 months.

The value of $1 worth of stock 4 year from now is work a small fraction of $1 in someone's paycheck today, especially when they're just starting out. That $120k "in coastal cities" (just say NYC/SF) is closer to $75-80k in cash compensation, before discretionary bonus, which means in San Francisco you've got a 2-hour one way commute from your studio with 4 roommates.

And what's the average tenure of someone at a tech company these days? A year and half, maybe two? So your 4-year average compensation including stock grants, discretionary bonuses, free beer and catered food, etc is still well above average when you consider many people won't get half of what needs to vest.

Re: Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads

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Post by simon83 »

trampi wrote: post #223
simon83 wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally I don't mind at all that the refugees get this money. I'm glad they get some help, I just hope they make something out of it (which is not so easy in a rather unwelcoming society). I keep hearing people say "they" take away "our" money, which is just a ridiculously tiny amount in the grand scheme of things. You never had the control where the money goes to to begin with. "Your" money could as well be spent…

Hi Simon, thank you for that reflected statement! May I ask you in which city you live? I am a developer living in Munich. I started my first full time job in last november with 49k€ entry-level salary (Christmas bonus included). I have got a masters degree in computer science. My project lead (who has not studied) told me, that the requirement for having studied started being a thing in the last years - when he bega…

I currently live in Stuttgart, which is apparently slightly less expensive than Munich. I don't think a 49k€ entry level salary for someone with a masters is good. It's probably enough to afford the basic necessities and a small apartment in Munich, but that's it. But then again, most companies seem to think this is good enough, it's so surreal.

I've been told many times in the past that a degree is not that important, what counts is experience. I haven't studied due to my laziness in my youth, but my experience looking for a job has shown me that a degree does matter. Some companies won't even invite you for an interview if you don't have a degree. I feel like I'd have a much better chance to negotiate a better salary with a masters or even bachelors degree.

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Post by speby »

marcell wrote: post #42

1. These salaries are for Bootcamp graduates, which means they'll be lower than someone with 5 years experience in programming. 2. These salaries are likely for the Bay Area, where a 1br apartment can cost you $3k+, and your tax rate will be 35% (state + federal). It's not comparable to places with lower tax rates and lower cost of living.

They still don't make a lot of sense. Bootcamp grads getting titles of things like "Lead Developer" and some salaries as much as $180K? I'm not buying that.
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