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Silicon Valley's dirty little secret: The way it treats women

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Re: Silicon Valley's dirty little secret: The way it treats women

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Post by Chris2048 »

drewrv wrote: post #4
bouis2 wrote: post #3

Silicon Valley is where the money is right now and everyone wants a piece of the pie, including employment lawyers. When Ellen Pao says "this is every tech company", and later in the article the solution is hiring HR people, hiring consultants and lawyers to protect you, you can kind of see where this is going. Everybody's a customer or they will be. A TV in every home, an iPhone in every pocket, a lawyer and a diver…

I don't know if HR people and consultants are the solution, but denying there is a problem with diversity and inclusion in our industry requires burying your head pretty deep in the sand.

> but denying there is a problem with diversity

This is a straw man. The point is aside from whether there is a problem with D&I - but it also depends one what you mean by these terms as well.

Re: Silicon Valley's dirty little secret: The way it treats women

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Post by zaptheimpaler »

dang wrote: post #7
walterstucco wrote: post #6

Meanwhile men can tell the same stories of harassment, under payment and stalled careers but nobody cares because, you know, they kinda deserve it for being men. I won't deny there is a problem in the valley, that's why I stayed in Europe, but the narrative men Vs women is wrong, US media should explore the fact that the whole American dream is about being abusive. Hypocrisy! Brutality! The elite! All of which are Am…

This is a terrible HN comment that manages to combine gender flamebait with nationalistic flamebait. If you post like this again, we will ban you. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html Edit: Ok you guys, point taken, s/insults/flamebait/. Late-night misstep!

It is not insulting any gender. Also I think your bar for a "nationalistic insult" is a little low - all countries are open to criticism.

Re: Silicon Valley's dirty little secret: The way it treats women

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Post by belorn »

drewrv wrote: post #4
bouis2 wrote: post #3

Silicon Valley is where the money is right now and everyone wants a piece of the pie, including employment lawyers. When Ellen Pao says "this is every tech company", and later in the article the solution is hiring HR people, hiring consultants and lawyers to protect you, you can kind of see where this is going. Everybody's a customer or they will be. A TV in every home, an iPhone in every pocket, a lawyer and a diver…

I don't know if HR people and consultants are the solution, but denying there is a problem with diversity and inclusion in our industry requires burying your head pretty deep in the sand.

Where I live 90% of people work in a industry that has a problem with diversity and inclusion, with a unemployment rate that is higher for men than women. Its not a problem isolated to a single industry or even a single society. For reasons that we don't like to talk about, the wast majority of women work in industries that exclude men and the wast majority of men work in industries that exclude women.

Maybe we should acknowledge the root cause here rather than picking which sand bucket we choose to bury our heads in?

Re: Silicon Valley's dirty little secret: The way it treats women

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Post by sidegrid »

dang wrote: post #7
walterstucco wrote: post #6

Meanwhile men can tell the same stories of harassment, under payment and stalled careers but nobody cares because, you know, they kinda deserve it for being men. I won't deny there is a problem in the valley, that's why I stayed in Europe, but the narrative men Vs women is wrong, US media should explore the fact that the whole American dream is about being abusive. Hypocrisy! Brutality! The elite! All of which are Am…

This is a terrible HN comment that manages to combine gender flamebait with nationalistic flamebait. If you post like this again, we will ban you. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html Edit: Ok you guys, point taken, s/insults/flamebait/. Late-night misstep!

What are you talking about?

Re: Silicon Valley's dirty little secret: The way it treats women

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Post by Grangar »

dang wrote: post #7
walterstucco wrote: post #6

Meanwhile men can tell the same stories of harassment, under payment and stalled careers but nobody cares because, you know, they kinda deserve it for being men. I won't deny there is a problem in the valley, that's why I stayed in Europe, but the narrative men Vs women is wrong, US media should explore the fact that the whole American dream is about being abusive. Hypocrisy! Brutality! The elite! All of which are Am…

This is a terrible HN comment that manages to combine gender flamebait with nationalistic flamebait. If you post like this again, we will ban you. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html Edit: Ok you guys, point taken, s/insults/flamebait/. Late-night misstep!

Where exactly is the insult..? I can imagine it's politically sensitive to people from the US, but that's not forbidden here as far as I know. It's not even rude.

Re: Silicon Valley's dirty little secret: The way it treats women

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Post by aaron695 »

dang wrote: post #7
walterstucco wrote: post #6

Meanwhile men can tell the same stories of harassment, under payment and stalled careers but nobody cares because, you know, they kinda deserve it for being men. I won't deny there is a problem in the valley, that's why I stayed in Europe, but the narrative men Vs women is wrong, US media should explore the fact that the whole American dream is about being abusive. Hypocrisy! Brutality! The elite! All of which are Am…

This is a terrible HN comment that manages to combine gender flamebait with nationalistic flamebait. If you post like this again, we will ban you. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html Edit: Ok you guys, point taken, s/insults/flamebait/. Late-night misstep!

Unless the original comment has been changed this is a strange thing to say.

The US has far less work benefits and rights than most first world nation's. Not saying I agree with OP but it's a valid theory that silicon valley being in the US might make it more hostile to all workers.

Re: Silicon Valley's dirty little secret: The way it treats women

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Post by anonbanker »

dang wrote: post #7
walterstucco wrote: post #6

Meanwhile men can tell the same stories of harassment, under payment and stalled careers but nobody cares because, you know, they kinda deserve it for being men. I won't deny there is a problem in the valley, that's why I stayed in Europe, but the narrative men Vs women is wrong, US media should explore the fact that the whole American dream is about being abusive. Hypocrisy! Brutality! The elite! All of which are Am…

This is a terrible HN comment that manages to combine gender flamebait with nationalistic flamebait. If you post like this again, we will ban you. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html Edit: Ok you guys, point taken, s/insults/flamebait/. Late-night misstep!

I love how greyed-out this comment is. When your moderation is deficient, the meta-moderation of HN has accomodated.

This is 1 of maybe 4 instances I've seen your moderation be 100% off, but I'm glad it didn't go unchecked.

Re: Silicon Valley's dirty little secret: The way it treats women

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Post by walterstucco »

dang wrote: post #7
walterstucco wrote: post #6

Meanwhile men can tell the same stories of harassment, under payment and stalled careers but nobody cares because, you know, they kinda deserve it for being men. I won't deny there is a problem in the valley, that's why I stayed in Europe, but the narrative men Vs women is wrong, US media should explore the fact that the whole American dream is about being abusive. Hypocrisy! Brutality! The elite! All of which are Am…

This is a terrible HN comment that manages to combine gender flamebait with nationalistic flamebait. If you post like this again, we will ban you. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html Edit: Ok you guys, point taken, s/insults/flamebait/. Late-night misstep!

it's the lyrics from a rage against the machine's song…

an american band

Re: Silicon Valley's dirty little secret: The way it treats women

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Post by dang »

zaptheimpaler wrote: post #12
dang wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a terrible HN comment that manages to combine gender flamebait with nationalistic flamebait. If you post like this again, we will ban you. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html Edit: Ok you guys, point taken, s/insults/flamebait/. Late-night misstep!

It is not insulting any gender. Also I think your bar for a "nationalistic insult" is a little low - all countries are open to criticism.

You're right, "insults" was the wrong word. A better word is "flamebait". The last thing we need here is more drive-by gender flamewarrage, and when accounts do this repeatedly (as this one has), we ban them. Hence the warning.

Re: Silicon Valley's dirty little secret: The way it treats women

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Post by dang »

anonbanker wrote: post #17
dang wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a terrible HN comment that manages to combine gender flamebait with nationalistic flamebait. If you post like this again, we will ban you. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html Edit: Ok you guys, point taken, s/insults/flamebait/. Late-night misstep!

I love how greyed-out this comment is. When your moderation is deficient, the meta-moderation of HN has accomodated. This is 1 of maybe 4 instances I've seen your moderation be 100% off, but I'm glad it didn't go unchecked.

If you can find the other ones for me, I'd appreciate knowing what they are. Maybe email them to hn@ycombinator.com?
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