Silicon Valley's dirty little secret: The way it treats women
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#2Realizing that Ellen Pao's presence takes all the spotlight from the issue would help the cause greatly.
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#3Silicon Valley is where the money is right now and everyone wants a piece of the pie, including employment lawyers. When Ellen Pao says "this is every tech company", and later in the article the solution is hiring HR people, hiring consultants and lawyers to protect you, you can kind of see where this is going. Everybody's a customer or they will be. A TV in every home, an iPhone in every pocket, a lawyer and a diversity and inclusion specialist in every startup that can afford it. Nobody is safe and there isn't much you can do but pay people off, whether that's the feminism in tech engineer who wants her settlement or the lawyers involved or whoever, a story is crystallizing here that startups are guilty, tech guys are guilty and they need to pay up.
Re: Silicon Valley's dirty little secret: The way it treats women
#4Silicon Valley is where the money is right now and everyone wants a piece of the pie, including employment lawyers. When Ellen Pao says "this is every tech company", and later in the article the solution is hiring HR people, hiring consultants and lawyers to protect you, you can kind of see where this is going. Everybody's a customer or they will be. A TV in every home, an iPhone in every pocket, a lawyer and a diver…
I don't know if HR people and consultants are the solution, but denying there is a problem with diversity and inclusion in our industry requires burying your head pretty deep in the sand.
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#5Silicon Valley is where the money is right now and everyone wants a piece of the pie, including employment lawyers. When Ellen Pao says "this is every tech company", and later in the article the solution is hiring HR people, hiring consultants and lawyers to protect you, you can kind of see where this is going. Everybody's a customer or they will be. A TV in every home, an iPhone in every pocket, a lawyer and a diver…
I don't know if HR people and consultants are the solution, but denying there is a problem with diversity and inclusion in our industry requires burying your head pretty deep in the sand.
We must draw a line here.
If we talk about diversity it's true women are under represented in tech.
If we talk about discrimination in the valley I'm quite sure that American white women are not suffering the most. At least they have the entire female American society backing them up.
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#6Meanwhile men can tell the same stories of harassment, under payment and stalled careers but nobody cares because, you know, they kinda deserve it for being men.
I won't deny there is a problem in the valley, that's why I stayed in Europe, but the narrative men Vs women is wrong, US media should explore the fact that the whole American dream is about being abusive.
Hypocrisy! Brutality! The elite!
All of which are American dreams!
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#7Meanwhile men can tell the same stories of harassment, under payment and stalled careers but nobody cares because, you know, they kinda deserve it for being men. I won't deny there is a problem in the valley, that's why I stayed in Europe, but the narrative men Vs women is wrong, US media should explore the fact that the whole American dream is about being abusive. Hypocrisy! Brutality! The elite! All of which are Am…
This is a terrible HN comment that manages to combine gender flamebait with nationalistic flamebait. If you post like this again, we will ban you.
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Edit: Ok you guys, point taken, s/insults/flamebait/. Late-night misstep!
Re: Silicon Valley's dirty little secret: The way it treats women
#8Silicon Valley is where the money is right now and everyone wants a piece of the pie, including employment lawyers. When Ellen Pao says "this is every tech company", and later in the article the solution is hiring HR people, hiring consultants and lawyers to protect you, you can kind of see where this is going. Everybody's a customer or they will be. A TV in every home, an iPhone in every pocket, a lawyer and a diver…
I don't know if HR people and consultants are the solution, but denying there is a problem with diversity and inclusion in our industry requires burying your head pretty deep in the sand.
My head is not in the sand. Your head is in the sand if you say that every single tech company condones sexual harassment. It's actually an extraordinary claim that's hard to believe, but it's become so common to make bold claims about the ubiquity and universality of racism and sexism that it sounds normal to us. The idea is that if a woman is saying she likes her job as an engineer and doesn't feel mistreated, there's something wrong with that story and I'm sure she could dig a little deeper and remember a night out where somebody made an inappropriate comment, or she wasn't invited along, or she was just in some way treated differently because of her gender. If you take it that far, you're not just fixing tech company cultures, you're fixing the patriarchy, and that's not something that a bunch of consultants can fix. I think we need to be more specific about what we're trying to fix and where the problem begins and ends, otherwise we'll just put together ineffective diversity initiatives that never really gain traction. It can't be taboo to be critical about the effectiveness of diversity and inclusion programs, otherwise we'll all just wind up with our heads in the sand, hoping we aren't next on some journalist's hit list.
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#9Meanwhile men can tell the same stories of harassment, under payment and stalled careers but nobody cares because, you know, they kinda deserve it for being men. I won't deny there is a problem in the valley, that's why I stayed in Europe, but the narrative men Vs women is wrong, US media should explore the fact that the whole American dream is about being abusive. Hypocrisy! Brutality! The elite! All of which are Am…
This is a terrible HN comment that manages to combine gender flamebait with nationalistic flamebait. If you post like this again, we will ban you. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html Edit: Ok you guys, point taken, s/insults/flamebait/. Late-night misstep!
Look at you, enforcing the rules like a good little soldier.
Re: Silicon Valley's dirty little secret: The way it treats women
#10Meanwhile men can tell the same stories of harassment, under payment and stalled careers but nobody cares because, you know, they kinda deserve it for being men. I won't deny there is a problem in the valley, that's why I stayed in Europe, but the narrative men Vs women is wrong, US media should explore the fact that the whole American dream is about being abusive. Hypocrisy! Brutality! The elite! All of which are Am…
This is a terrible HN comment that manages to combine gender flamebait with nationalistic flamebait. If you post like this again, we will ban you. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html Edit: Ok you guys, point taken, s/insults/flamebait/. Late-night misstep!
What gender insult?