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Please Make Google AMP Optional

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Re: Please Make Google AMP Optional

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I suggest stop using google search altogether. https://duckduckgo.com/ is an excellent search engine and its trivial to make a google search via `!g` prefix when you are not finding what you are looking for.

What made me move back to Google from DDG is the (by construction?) inability of the latter to learn what you're interested in. For things like documentation search, Google quickly starts tailoring results to $LANG.

Re: Please Make Google AMP Optional

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Your hypothetical there assumes that AMP actually works well. My experience is it's got painful usability issues at least on android chrome. The worst one I see all the time is scrolling down to actually read the AMP page frequently results in the page closing, returning you to results. Fast is good, but at least it ought to be a good user experience. I used to use google news a lot, but i totally abandoned it after…

Perhaps it's your device @baconner? I'm using an LG V20 device, with Chrome mobile, and I see a significant improvement with AMP'd pages over normal sites. So-much-so that I dread going to non-amped pages as they are slow and the ads are horrifically annoying. I guess this is why anecdotal evidence is not as heavily weighed as a thoroughly tested and evidenced study. YMMV I <3 AMP

I use Firefox mobile with uBlock Origin, and the internet is fast for me without using any AMP pages. YMMV.

Re: Please Make Google AMP Optional

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Only because Google haven’t turned on AMP results for encrypted.google.com. It’s presumably only a matter of time until they do.

!g has been my exclusive portal to Google for years (also on mobile). I never understood what all the rage was about until I went to try it in the "normal" Google. This is the first time I've seen that "lightning" icon. Wow. So that's how it feels like to be a "lucky 10 000". crawls back under stone

Absolutely, my !g usage will drop right off when Google decide to add in their other SERP ‘functionality’.

Re: Please Make Google AMP Optional

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Your hypothetical there assumes that AMP actually works well. My experience is it's got painful usability issues at least on android chrome. The worst one I see all the time is scrolling down to actually read the AMP page frequently results in the page closing, returning you to results. Fast is good, but at least it ought to be a good user experience. I used to use google news a lot, but i totally abandoned it after…

[I work for Google, opinions my own] If you have specific issues you can spell out, consider filing a bug on it[0]? The AMP team is tracking most of their work via Github as far as I'm aware. As an iOS user, one bug that bothered me for a long time with AMP was scroll inertia, which seems to be an issue with Webkit rather than AMP[1]. If you poke around the tracker, you can see the team does what it can to fix issues…

Problem: A giant Google banner over web page, URL is broken

Solution: Remove banner, redirect to URL

Resolution: Closed, Google likes it that way.

Actual solution: Don't use AMP, and slowly get pushed out of Google search.

Re: Please Make Google AMP Optional

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It's the creator of the content that creates the AMP page and publishes it on AMP.

That's not quite accurate. If you make an AMP page, Google will cache it. Google caching it is not optional. https://developers.google.com/amp/cache/faq#can-i-stop-conte...

Why would you make an AMP page?

Re: Please Make Google AMP Optional

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https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/android/

So my statement wasn't completely accurate but there still is no support for iOS. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/add-ons-firefox-ios

Things like this are the main reason why I switched to Android from iOS after iPhone 1 and didn't look back (also I love my Samsung Edge hardware).

Re: Please Make Google AMP Optional

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Users: I like AMP pages, they're fast! HN: But the open Internet! Users: What's that? HN: Normal websites! Users: Like...the really slow ones? With all the annoying popovers? And pages that take forever to load? And for some reason cause my fancy new phone to slow to a crawl? HN: Well, those websites should rewrite their entire codebase to be faster. Users: That doesn't help me, though. HN: Trust in the free market!…

I personally don't see any major improvements in speed when using AMP. It might be marginal but too small to notice for a regular user. Another factor can be that AMP might work better on Chrome which is again Google sucking you into their ecosystem.

I get the feeling it's aimed mainly at all the crappy bottom-of-the-barrel Android devices out there.

As an iPhone user, why the hell would I care if a page is bit larger, I pull down over 500Mbit/s on wifi and over 100Mbit/s on LTE. The CPU in iPhone is so fast it's almost ridiculous. There is little difference in how fast AMP pages load compared to real web pages.

Basically, Google re-invented WAP for exactly the same, dumb, reasons the original WAP was invented: their phones are too shit to use the real web.

Re: Please Make Google AMP Optional

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AMP is also literally breaking internet. People share google.com/amp links,sometimes there'd be no preview and hard telling what the actual website being linked is.

On safari I get nothing except AMP links in google and cannot get myself routed to the actual site even with extensive searching. This disables sharing the link for me as well.

Have you considered switching search engines? I've been using https://duckduckgo.com for the last two years and this is the first time I'm hearing of Google AMP.

Re: Please Make Google AMP Optional

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post #26

AMP is bad and anyone who's invested in it should feel shameful for making the internet a worse place.

Would you please not post unsubstantive rants to HN? Even if your underlying point is right, it's still polluting.
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