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Please Make Google AMP Optional

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Re: Please Make Google AMP Optional

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Users: I like AMP pages, they're fast!

HN: But the open Internet!

Users: What's that?

HN: Normal websites!

Users: Like...the really slow ones? With all the annoying popovers? And pages that take forever to load? And for some reason cause my fancy new phone to slow to a crawl?

HN: Well, those websites should rewrite their entire codebase to be faster.

Users: That doesn't help me, though.

HN: Trust in the free market! The problem is you, the user, who just needs to exert more pressure on website purveyors so they'll make performant web sites.

Users: You mean, like, preferring websites that offer faster experiences? Okay. Continues to use AMP.

Re: Please Make Google AMP Optional

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post #151

Users: I like AMP pages, they're fast! HN: But the open Internet! Users: What's that? HN: Normal websites! Users: Like...the really slow ones? With all the annoying popovers? And pages that take forever to load? And for some reason cause my fancy new phone to slow to a crawl? HN: Well, those websites should rewrite their entire codebase to be faster. Users: That doesn't help me, though. HN: Trust in the free market!…

Hence the request to make it optional, with it being on by default.

>It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.

Re: Please Make Google AMP Optional

#154
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I'm not commenting on "ethics", but I can say why I dislike AMP as a user: I want to interact directly with a website, not through some third party. I especially don't want that third party observing my interactions or collecting data about them. I also don't want to allow that third party to run code (javascript) on my computer. As a website designer (barely), basically the same reasons: I don't want my site under c…

Given that most of the web has Google analytics installed, I'm pretty sure all of the above is happening with or without amp.

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Re: Please Make Google AMP Optional

#155
post #68

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You just said "Jimmy pissed in the pool, so who cares if Timmy shits in it?"

I have hard time sympathizing with people who made the web a horrible blinking ad and malware laden experience for everyone. Especially when they're complaining about something that brings actually content and performance forward again.

You mean people like google?

https://www.maketecheasier.com/assets/uploads/2014/09/avoid-...

http://searchengineland.com/figz/wp-content/seloads/2012/01/...

Re: Please Make Google AMP Optional

#156
post #58

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I don't think its comparable to Apple. Apple is trying to make the user experience of existing content better (where it is located) Google is taking the content and serving it themselves. The problem is sites being slow in the first place, but Apple isn't commandeering the content itself like Google is by creating a mode where the browser can enhance legibility of any article.

>Google is taking the content and serving it themselves. How is Google taking the content? Isn't it the creator that is publishing their content using AMP?

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Re: Please Make Google AMP Optional

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I'm not sure I would go that far but I've given up on Google personally, though. Yahoo search is ok. Firefox's mobile UI isn't as good but I'm sticking with it. Email and Photos is pretty hard to get away from. Hopefully I'll be fully out some day in the near future.

Isn't yahoo search just bing repackaged?

It's powered by Bing

Re: Please Make Google AMP Optional

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I'm not sure I would go that far but I've given up on Google personally, though. Yahoo search is ok. Firefox's mobile UI isn't as good but I'm sticking with it. Email and Photos is pretty hard to get away from. Hopefully I'll be fully out some day in the near future.

Isn't yahoo search just bing repackaged?

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Re: Please Make Google AMP Optional

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post #74

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Given that most of the web has Google analytics installed, I'm pretty sure all of the above is happening with or without amp.

I just want to mention (1) I view this as a bad thing and think we ought to try to move away from it; (2) I whitelist javascript so at least not all of the above is happening to me, and I think we ought to move toward all users having the tools and competence to do the same.

I just use https://www.eff.org/privacybadger

Probably not 100%, but it's better than nothing. And having people install a plugin is easy enough.

Re: Please Make Google AMP Optional

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post #151

Users: I like AMP pages, they're fast! HN: But the open Internet! Users: What's that? HN: Normal websites! Users: Like...the really slow ones? With all the annoying popovers? And pages that take forever to load? And for some reason cause my fancy new phone to slow to a crawl? HN: Well, those websites should rewrite their entire codebase to be faster. Users: That doesn't help me, though. HN: Trust in the free market!…

I hate them because they suck not because open internet.
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