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Intel fires warning shots at Microsoft, says x86 emulation is a patent minefield

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Post by fuuduidio »

kakarot wrote: post #115
drakenot wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting. I wonder why there is such a disparity between CEMU (building a Wii U emulator) getting $28k/mo and Nekotekina getting $1.2k/mo (building a PS3 emulator).

Easy. Breath of the Wild. I bought the game so I could emulate it on my PC and it runs almost flawlessly. Between the launch of the game and now, their monthly donations have just been going up and up and up. Just a few months after release, it runs at a higher (more consistent, anyway, because it's still capped at 30) FPS and resolution than either the Wii U or Switch could provide. The PC BotW experience is actuall…

While botw plays in cemu, certain game elements was broken last I tried, like the camera, and photo book

Re: Intel fires warning shots at Microsoft, says x86 emulation is a patent minefield

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Post by kakarot »

fuuduidio wrote: post #121
kakarot wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Easy. Breath of the Wild. I bought the game so I could emulate it on my PC and it runs almost flawlessly. Between the launch of the game and now, their monthly donations have just been going up and up and up. Just a few months after release, it runs at a higher (more consistent, anyway, because it's still capped at 30) FPS and resolution than either the Wii U or Switch could provide. The PC BotW experience is actuall…

While botw plays in cemu, certain game elements was broken last I tried, like the camera, and photo book

If you copy the pictbook folder from your extracted game files into the appropriate memory card folder and make it read-only, when you snap pictures of objects it will register the default image for the item.

The only thing really broken, besides little graphical things and certain ambient shaders, is that you can't zoom in on the photographs of the memories. Not really an issue when you can just put your face closer to the TV. Oh, and yeah you can't take custom photographs yet. And, of course, FMV only works when you download a third-party plugin because x264 decoding isn't high on the CEMU dev's list right now.

But in general it runs almost flawlessly, as far as being able to complete the game is concerned. Some people report predictable crashes after encountering Ganon or any of the Blight creatures, but I have not had this problem. Just occasional crashes here and there.

Re: Intel fires warning shots at Microsoft, says x86 emulation is a patent minefield

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Post by ouid »

amalcon wrote: post #107
ouid wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that's not the church turing thesis then.

You're right that it expands upon the C-T thesis a bit, so my use of the word "literally" was incorrect. It does depend on the C-T thesis though, because it relies on a definition of "processor" that references it. You'd still need to explain it to a judge.

What do you mean when you say "expands upon"? Either all computers are equivalent or you aren't invoking C-T.

Re: Intel fires warning shots at Microsoft, says x86 emulation is a patent minefield

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Post by KevinIsMyName »

amorphid wrote: post #26

Attorneys on both sides must be excited on some level about the potential number of billable hours it'd take to litigate a case like this. Reminds me of a something an entrepreneurship professor told me... If there's one lawyer in town, they drive a Chevrolet. If there are two lawyers in town, they both drive Cadillacs.

I assume lawyers on both sides have already hands full of work. I imagine these huge corporations spend lots of money on legal.

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Post by ajarmst »

ouid wrote: post #20
amalcon wrote: post #15

Years ago, I spoke with an attorney with a CS background. He had once worked on a case like this. Sharp guy. He didn't tell me the parties involved, and I didn't ask, though I assume he wouldn't speak openly about it while it was ongoing. I therefore don't know how it turned out. It was many years ago, so I might be remembering wrong. I'm not a lawyer, this is not legal advice (neither mine nor his). Basically, there…

if it's Church Turing you're arguing, then Intel surely doesn't hold the patent on the whole equivalence class...

Heh. They should go with the Strong CT Thesis and end up proving that every patent on a computer is a patent on the universe. As a follow up, they could petition the Supreme Court to grant personhood to any process that can pass the Turing Test. If money is speech in the US...

Re: Intel fires warning shots at Microsoft, says x86 emulation is a patent minefield

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Post by ajarmst »

ouid wrote: post #20
amalcon wrote: post #15

Years ago, I spoke with an attorney with a CS background. He had once worked on a case like this. Sharp guy. He didn't tell me the parties involved, and I didn't ask, though I assume he wouldn't speak openly about it while it was ongoing. I therefore don't know how it turned out. It was many years ago, so I might be remembering wrong. I'm not a lawyer, this is not legal advice (neither mine nor his). Basically, there…

if it's Church Turing you're arguing, then Intel surely doesn't hold the patent on the whole equivalence class...

Heh. They should go with the Strong CT Thesis and end up proving that every patent on a computer is a patent on the universe. As a follow up, they could petition the Supreme Court to grant personhood to any process that can pass the Turing Test. If money is speech in the US...

Re: Intel fires warning shots at Microsoft, says x86 emulation is a patent minefield

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Post by syshum »

Microsoft should Partner with AMD to pressure the big desktop and laptop OEM's to stop using Intel CPU;s

I would love to see Dell, Lenovo and HP to switch exclusivly to Ryzen processors,

And switch to the new Naples CPU in all their Server/Storage systems

Re: Intel fires warning shots at Microsoft, says x86 emulation is a patent minefield

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Post by dpark »

eonwe wrote: post #105
dpark wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> All on non-Intel foundry processes. That was unimaginable 10 years ago. Not really. 15 years ago, AMD was outperforming Intel at a lower price.

That was not because of foundry process, but because of better architecture. Intel was leading or tied at process width and clock speed the whole time.

Intel isn't losing on foundry process now either.

Re: Intel fires warning shots at Microsoft, says x86 emulation is a patent minefield

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Post by chongli »

std_throwaway wrote: post #49
rhaps0dy wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But Microsoft is bigger than Intel. So if anything, they will cause trouble to Intel.

Both can afford to spend hundreds of millions on a lawsuit. The lawsuit will be only a part of the budget for both and non-existential. So I don't think that the size matters here. It would be different if the lawsuit is so expensive that one party could go bankrupt due to it. This isn't about right and wrong. It's about money. Who has to pay how much to the other party? Both parties think they are better off if they…

The stakes could potentially present an existential risk to Intel. Imagine if Microsoft won and transitioned all Windows customers to ARM. That would be a huge blow to Intel's market!
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