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How Not to Fix Soccer

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Re: How Not to Fix Soccer

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Broadly speaking, European sports evolved before the spectator-sports industry and, as a result, are primarily for playing; American sports evolved afterwards and have been shaped (to a greater extent) by needing to be good to watch.

Then why are American sports so outrageously boring to watch?

Re: How Not to Fix Soccer

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Question for the Americans: Is soccer really on the brink of becoming a popular sport in your country? I read that ESPN is investing lots of money into the world cup coverage and reddit is full of related submissions.

It's always been a popular sport in America for amateur players, kids, and women (our women's team is the best in the world). Men's soccer on a professional level is trending upwards, though. In college towns and the like you'll see a handful of people wearing Man U shirts or something. MLS is expanding, and in some cities it catches on rather quickly (Seattle, for instance).

It's still hampered by the fact that we have pretty third-rate players by international standards. The American leagues for gridiron, basketball, and baseball are de facto world championships because the best players in those sports always play here, but in soccer the best club could be English or Spanish or German or Italian, and Americans have a problem with that.

I would say it's a top 4 sport already (displacing hockey) but the top 3 is hard to break into. I suspect it'll displace baseball next.

Re: How Not to Fix Soccer

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I'm not a particularly big fan of football, but even so it's glaringly obvious to me when I read articles by certain people (let's just say it's those who call it soccer) that they.. just don't get it. This isn't just random bloggers, I've read articles in big papers like the NY Times, and as much as they want and try to, they don't really understand it. It's not "inside" them like it is for me (involuntarily) and bi…

So you don't care about the blatant cheating that can completely change the course of a game? Well, lots of people do not like cheating, do not like deliberate diving. For me, this completely ruins the game of soccer, and I will never take it seriously as a sport. I don't tune in to see which side can game the system the best.

Would you be happier if the rules said "the player who most convincingly acts will win the call"? Then it wouldn't be cheating, but part of the game...

I don't think it's nearly as bad as the American incarnation of hockey, where fistfights are tolerated with a slap on the wrist. Talk about encouraging unsportsmanlike behavior. If you tried that in soccer, you'd at the very least get a red card, if not more.

Re: How Not to Fix Soccer

#114
post #72

The reason FIFA does not want video reffing is not keeping the spirit of the footbal or what so ever. FIFA (and UEFA for that matter) for that matter is a highly political organization which handles a lot of money with a somewhat obscure agenda. Fairness is a little bit less important when compared to leaving out big money nations(or clubs) from a tournement. Error-prone refereeing is a vital tool for keeping as many…

USA is a smaller team than Slovenia? Brazil is a smaller team than Ivory Coast?

Your conspiracy theory, actually, is much better suited to the NBA, which has always seemed fixed in favor of large-market teams.

Re: How Not to Fix Soccer

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post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you don't care about the blatant cheating that can completely change the course of a game? Well, lots of people do not like cheating, do not like deliberate diving. For me, this completely ruins the game of soccer, and I will never take it seriously as a sport. I don't tune in to see which side can game the system the best.

Would you be happier if the rules said "the player who most convincingly acts will win the call"? Then it wouldn't be cheating, but part of the game... I don't think it's nearly as bad as the American incarnation of hockey, where fistfights are tolerated with a slap on the wrist. Talk about encouraging unsportsmanlike behavior. If you tried that in soccer, you'd at the very least get a red card, if not more.

Fistfights aren't just tolerated in hockey, they are half the reason anyone watches the game...

Re: How Not to Fix Soccer

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Question for the Americans: Is soccer really on the brink of becoming a popular sport in your country? I read that ESPN is investing lots of money into the world cup coverage and reddit is full of related submissions.

> Question for the Americans: Is soccer really on the brink of becoming a popular sport in your country? No, but it's slowly trending upwards. Without looking it up, the top American spectator sports are American football, baseball, basketball, NASCAR racing, hockey, golf, and tennis. The problem is that the best American athletes look to one of top three American sports - if you look at top NBA and NFL players, many…

Most top NBA and NFL players are fucking huge, because those sports reward gigantism. Soccer doesn't, with the slight exception of the goalkeeper, because even when the height or size of a Peter Crouch or Per Mertesacker gives you an advantage, being able to run circles around Per Mertesacker or get your defense behind Peter Crouch somewhat mitigates it.

Re: How Not to Fix Soccer

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post #2

Question for the Americans: Is soccer really on the brink of becoming a popular sport in your country? I read that ESPN is investing lots of money into the world cup coverage and reddit is full of related submissions.

In NYC, World Cup mania is bigger than I've ever seen for any other sporting event, ever. Everyone is watching the games on their computer during work. This seems to be acceptable behavior because all the managers and CEOs are doing it too. Every bar in the city with TVs is open early for the early games. The "dive bar" by my apartment installed two flat panel TVs just for the Cup and they never had TVs before. I'm not really a soccer fan but I would say if the sport wasn't popular in the USA before, it is now, and will probably become more popular in the future.

Re: How Not to Fix Soccer

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I'm not a particularly big fan of football, but even so it's glaringly obvious to me when I read articles by certain people (let's just say it's those who call it soccer) that they.. just don't get it. This isn't just random bloggers, I've read articles in big papers like the NY Times, and as much as they want and try to, they don't really understand it. It's not "inside" them like it is for me (involuntarily) and bi…

So you don't care about the blatant cheating that can completely change the course of a game? Well, lots of people do not like cheating, do not like deliberate diving. For me, this completely ruins the game of soccer, and I will never take it seriously as a sport. I don't tune in to see which side can game the system the best.

I think it's a lot worse in the NBA, where deliberate fouling (either to stop the clock late in the game or to Hack-A-Shaq) is "a part of the game" and so is diving (or "flopping" as basketballers call it). Diving isn't even a foul in basketball. You can't convince me that a grown man can be thrown to the floor as easily as these NBA players are.

Incidentally, if you hate diving, just watch the leagues where diving isn't tolerated, like the English Premier League.

Re: How Not to Fix Soccer

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post #111
post #21

Broadly speaking, European sports evolved before the spectator-sports industry and, as a result, are primarily for playing; American sports evolved afterwards and have been shaped (to a greater extent) by needing to be good to watch.

Then why are American sports so outrageously boring to watch?

American football is an enigma to foreigners in the same way that cricket is an enigma to Americans. It's just horribly complicated and weird and there's no way to get a handle on it if you weren't raised with it IMO. (Historically, gridiron is just another rugby variant, except with added down-and-distance rules, forward passes, and blocking. I like the Canadian rules a little better than the American rules, but the best players and teams are American so that's what most people watch.)

Basketball and baseball, however, are tremendously popular around the world.

Re: How Not to Fix Soccer

#120
Get rid of ties and soccer is 10x better. Nothing more frustrating than watching a game for 90 minutes that ends in a tie. This is one of the big reasons playoff hockey is much better than during the regular season -- ever watched a game go into 5 OTs?
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