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Apple is struggling to become an AI powerhouse

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Re: Apple is struggling to become an AI powerhouse

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Post by Joeri »

Spooky23 wrote: post #224
derialstrazus wrote: post #138

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Our legal structure needs to catch up and punish companies who use data that we did not authorize. Data should be seen as personal property.

That will never meaningfully happen, because it is contrary to third party doctrine and would make it impossible to do business with people. If you tell me that you like bananas, and I bring you bananas, I'm not being unethical. The problem with online services is that you're baring your soul to the eye of sauron without realizing what it means. The only way to win is not to play.

You may want to look into the EU GDPR, which requires all companies to strictly manage all personal information, or face a penalty of up to 5% of worldwide turnover.

This is set to activate in a year, and it is a huge problem for software used in the EU because almost nobody is ready for it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regu...

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Post by shostack »

Osmium wrote: post #18

On a technical point, I was impressed by their CoreML model format. The specification is open, optimized for maximum transferability, it can convert models from Keras (with TensorFlow), scikit-learn and others, and their Python model converter is also open source: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/coremltools Once you have your model as a CoreML file, it is stupidly simple to incorporate it into an app (the live demo with…

Apparently you can only view that video in Safari or the wwdc app. That's awful.

Re: Apple is struggling to become an AI powerhouse

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Post by agrahul »

shostack wrote: post #232
Osmium wrote: post #18

On a technical point, I was impressed by their CoreML model format. The specification is open, optimized for maximum transferability, it can convert models from Keras (with TensorFlow), scikit-learn and others, and their Python model converter is also open source: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/coremltools Once you have your model as a CoreML file, it is stupidly simple to incorporate it into an app (the live demo with…

Apparently you can only view that video in Safari or the wwdc app. That's awful.

I believe it's a HLS video. If you're on Windows, Edge has support for HLS. Otherwise, you'll have to resort to using a media player.

Re: Apple is struggling to become an AI powerhouse

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Post by zhoutong »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #163
old-gregg wrote: post #66

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You are making two assumptions that aren't necessarily true. First, you're assuming that you have control over what kind of information is being collected and shared, and you're assuming it's always good for you. Here's a fairly innocent scenario: if Amazon Echo can learn everything about you, they may discover that you're crazy about Paris and you have good income. Then they can sell this info to every travel websit…

You say "overpay" but if the user pays for it then that would have been an efficient price - making the entire transaction beneficial. Economically it would be the market clearing price so would be beneficial to the market generally. Sounds like a great thing.

In fact, in a monopolistic market, perfect price discrimination (every consumer pays exactly their individual marginal utility) results in allocative efficiency.

The consumer surplus is zero, but the producer surplus is the maximum possible value.

In other words, the monopolistic supplier would otherwise charge a higher price for everyone if it is unable to price discriminate. If price discrimination is successful, more consumers can afford the product.

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Post by martin_bech »

old-gregg wrote: post #66
pwython wrote: post #51

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I'm one of the few in the "tech world" that isn't so much pro-privacy. Google can read my email, Apple can track my movements, my Amazon Echo can even listen in when it wants. The end result is a huge benefit to me. How is any AI supposed to know what I want, if I try to be an anonymous user? I prefer targeted ads. I prefer submitting my information to "robots" in the hopes that my user experience is tailored to what…

You are making two assumptions that aren't necessarily true. First, you're assuming that you have control over what kind of information is being collected and shared, and you're assuming it's always good for you. Here's a fairly innocent scenario: if Amazon Echo can learn everything about you, they may discover that you're crazy about Paris and you have good income. Then they can sell this info to every travel websit…

Afaik Amazon already does that with book pricing, or did.

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Post by bcoughlan »

pwython wrote: post #51
macinjosh wrote: post #3

I am an Apple fanboy but I am also a privacy fanboy. As AI, IoT, and consumer tracking continue to invade our daily lives I think Apple will continue to do quite well if they maintain there pro-privacy heading. Privacy is a feature, it's something people want, and unfortunately its becoming a luxury. That is something that attracts Apple's customers.

I'm one of the few in the "tech world" that isn't so much pro-privacy. Google can read my email, Apple can track my movements, my Amazon Echo can even listen in when it wants. The end result is a huge benefit to me. How is any AI supposed to know what I want, if I try to be an anonymous user? I prefer targeted ads. I prefer submitting my information to "robots" in the hopes that my user experience is tailored to what…

"Alexa, play me that song I like. And while you're at it, order me a case of my favorite beer. Thanks."

Wow, now I'll never have to leave my chair!

Re: Apple is struggling to become an AI powerhouse

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Post by mtgx »

b1daly wrote: post #137
old-gregg wrote: post #66

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You are making two assumptions that aren't necessarily true. First, you're assuming that you have control over what kind of information is being collected and shared, and you're assuming it's always good for you. Here's a fairly innocent scenario: if Amazon Echo can learn everything about you, they may discover that you're crazy about Paris and you have good income. Then they can sell this info to every travel websit…

You make a good point about the pricing asymmetry. But the point remains that most people are voluntarily, enthusiastically, giving up personal data in exchange for features that they find valuable. It's hard to see that as a privacy issue. Being part of the world involves being known. In the proverbial "olde days," when people lived in much smaller communities, everyone knew everyone's business. Government spying on…

> But the point remains that most people are voluntarily, enthusiastically, giving up personal data in exchange for features that they find valuable

No, that's demonstrably false. Most people have no idea how exactly they are tracked and what information is being collected about them. How would they? It's not always as simple as "Uhh, so I guess if I write an email in Gmail Google can see my email?!" And even then, I think the majority don't actually think that Google does that. "I mean, email is private is it not?!" - is what some people likely think.

Do you actually think that most people know that Facebook and Google track them across the web and know most of the sites they visit when they aren't even on Google or Facebook's websites, through Google Analytics code and the Like button (without having to press on it)?

How long before the technology and bandwidth becomes advanced enough that it's actually possible to capture all conversations from mics 24/7 of the people around a device, and store it for analysis in the cloud? Do you think people expect that to happen right now, or are "enthusiastic" about it? No, they don't and aren't.

In fact some call this idea a "conspiracy theory." But ten years from now we'll probably discover Facebook or Amazon has already been doing it for a few years, and a few more years later the privacy invasion apoligists will start saying "well yeah, of course they listen to your microphone, that's why it's there! To analyze your context and give you even more targeted products and ads!"

Companies first abuse new ways to track people (I guess they would call that "innovation"), and maybe 10 years later, regulators catch-up to it and force them to pull-back their tracking a little bit, after the information has long been stored and used in their databases.

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Post by Ntrails »

m_mueller wrote: post #198
jayd16 wrote: post #195

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Are we imagining a future where sellers can track our every want but consumers lose the ability to shop around? Why wouldn't market forces and competition protect us from this?

To maximise profit, a corporation must find the highest possible price that customers are still willing to pay. If a company finds a way to do this separately for each customer, then the other market players need to follow, otherwise they will loose their capital (i.e. shareholders jump ship). Information asymmetry is a very devious market hazard, it makes it such that the market appeara to be working perfectly well,…

Companies sell at lower prices than the maximum acceptable price of the customer all the time for a variety of reasons. In order for what you say to be true there has to be a monopoly - otherwise competition will drive prices below that point (and this happens all the time)
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