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3-year-olds consuming alternative milks were 1.5 cm shorter on average

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Re: 3-year-olds consuming alternative milks were 1.5 cm shorter on average

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Post by wickawic »

emmelaich wrote: post #31
slothtrop wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're one of the good ones. It's as though, for some, this perspective jeapordizes veganism as a movement, which is ridiculous.

Yeah, there are very good arguments for veganism but raw health isn't typically one of them. I'd say reducing cruelty to animals is the best one. But almond or soy instead of cow's milk? That's nuts. [hah pun not intended]

What do you mean by that? I would consider the treatment of dairy cows to be at least comparable to raising cows to kill them.

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Post by gutnor »

ThrustVectoring wrote: post #24
marricks wrote: post #3

Is shorter always bad? With all the growth hormones given to cows it'd make sense some would go through to the milk and likely affect kids, wouldn't really be a good thing...

Yeah. All else equal, I'd rather have a taller child. If I could have invested $1M in the S&P 500 at birth or be seven feet tall, I'd take the height.

You must seriously value being tall. I wouldn't mind being 5ft tall with 25 million in my bank account.

edit: bad math not 2.5 billion, still 25 million is not bad, I take it in exchange of 1 foot 7in.

Re: 3-year-olds consuming alternative milks were 1.5 cm shorter on average

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Post by colanderman »

jonknee wrote: post #39
moskie wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But vegans should be under no illusions that almond milk or soy milk is any kind of milk substitute. When it comes to feeding infants, sure, but my usage of soy milk as an adult is definitely as a substitute for milk. I use it in virtually all the places cow's milk is typically used: in my cereal, coffee, mixed with chocolate syrup, in most recipes that call for milk.... No need to get so up in arms about call thin…

If you use tofu in place of beef it is not correct to call it "soy beef". Milk is a specific thing, no kind of milk comes from beans.

"Milk" has been a generic term ever since coconut milk has existed.

Heck, Wiktionary even cites 14th and 15th century uses of the term "almond milk". [1]

Not to mention "milk of magnesia", which isn't even a foodstuff.

Just because you personally have not heard the non-dairy sense used until recently does not mean it is incorrect or should be "illegal" as the GP suggests.

[1] https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/milk

Re: 3-year-olds consuming alternative milks were 1.5 cm shorter on average

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Post by greglindahl »

emmelaich wrote: post #31
slothtrop wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're one of the good ones. It's as though, for some, this perspective jeapordizes veganism as a movement, which is ridiculous.

Yeah, there are very good arguments for veganism but raw health isn't typically one of them. I'd say reducing cruelty to animals is the best one. But almond or soy instead of cow's milk? That's nuts. [hah pun not intended]

A large fraction of humanity never drinks cow's milk, and they lack a gene needed to digest it.

Re: 3-year-olds consuming alternative milks were 1.5 cm shorter on average

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Post by greglindahl »

empath75 wrote: post #14

It's sort of criminal that they're even allowed to label bean juice as milk. Im not 100% convinced of the necessity of drinking milk or that height is particularly a good proxy for health as a metric. But vegans should be under no illusions that almond milk or soy milk is any kind of milk substitute. And if they're giving it to infants instead of breastfeeding or formula, it's borderline neglect. I think that there a…

Almond milk has been called almond milk for at least a thousand years. Check out any cookbook for Catholics during Lent, or ask anyone who's into Renaissance-and-earlier-era cooking.

Re: 3-year-olds consuming alternative milks were 1.5 cm shorter on average

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Post by irixusr »

rocky1138 wrote: post #36
irixusr wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought if that, but This is a Canadian study. Canadian diary industry is very different from the US, so it's not obvious that you'd find hormones in the milk (there are per cow milk production quotas). Certainly not in the quantities found in US milk.

Do you have a source for this?

on what? The production quotas are my only factual claim.

But here's wiki

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dairy_farming_in_Canada

(The national post had a great series of articles about it. The Canadian newspaper sided with Trump against Canada's diary industry.)

Btw, Milk costs double in Canada than in the states. Tastes better though (well sour cream and yoghurt do. I hate milk). On the other hand cheese is much better in the states cause I can afford the European stuff here (100% import tarriff???) and there is more diversity in aisles.

As to the hormone part of my OP, no claim, at least no strong claim, was made. I just pointed out that, if your production is restricted, it doesn't make sense to pump your cows full of hormones.

Re: 3-year-olds consuming alternative milks were 1.5 cm shorter on average

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Post by greglindahl »

jonknee wrote: post #39
moskie wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But vegans should be under no illusions that almond milk or soy milk is any kind of milk substitute. When it comes to feeding infants, sure, but my usage of soy milk as an adult is definitely as a substitute for milk. I use it in virtually all the places cow's milk is typically used: in my cereal, coffee, mixed with chocolate syrup, in most recipes that call for milk.... No need to get so up in arms about call thin…

If you use tofu in place of beef it is not correct to call it "soy beef". Milk is a specific thing, no kind of milk comes from beans.

Have you ever eaten in a Chinese vegetarian restaurant? They usually have fake meat of every kind, and they do call some kinds of it 'beef'.

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Post by douche »

ThrustVectoring wrote: post #24
marricks wrote: post #3

Is shorter always bad? With all the growth hormones given to cows it'd make sense some would go through to the milk and likely affect kids, wouldn't really be a good thing...

Yeah. All else equal, I'd rather have a taller child. If I could have invested $1M in the S&P 500 at birth or be seven feet tall, I'd take the height.

This would likely be largely dependent on your birthdate. At various eras, the structure of NBA contracts and the collective bargaining agreement would have a large impact on your expected earnings. There's a window of time in which virtually anyone seven feet or over who could walk and chew bubblegum at the same time could have a very high chance of earning serious money as an NBA center, even with minimal skills[1]. If you came of age in the salad days of ridiculous rookie contracts, after the NBA had exploded in popularity and TV and advertising money ballooned salaries, and the newer, cheaper, rookie contract scales had yet to come into effect, this very well could be valid tradeoff.

[1] http://www.truthaboutit.net/2012/05/true-or-false-half-of-al...

Re: 3-year-olds consuming alternative milks were 1.5 cm shorter on average

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Post by derefr »

Swizec wrote: post #12
schoen wrote: post #2

Some non-dairy milks are labeled "not a substitute for infant formula". This is important because infants fed them in place of formula or breast milk have suffered severe malnutrition and even died. Babies' and small children's nutritional requirements are different from adults'. This study is looking at "children aged two to six" (ages at which formula or breast milk would no longer be necessary to sustain life), an…

> while apparently for particular purposes non-dairy milks are starting out at a disadvantage even if they have some health benefits in other ways It's almost like alternative milks have around 30 calories per cup and real milk has 160 calories. That's a huge difference because you're likely to give your child "a glass of milk", not ask them to drink 5 glasses because the alt milk has basically no nutritional value.…

> And while I'd love to use real full fat milk, 3.5% is the most I have easy access to in the absence of owning a cow.

You could add cream to your milk.

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