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Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

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Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

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$5K for a machine that's still tied to their display. I have a large display I already love, and no room on my desk for anything else.

I suppose there's a market for this - Probably Disney or related shops. But there's no way I would blow $5K on this. That's just insane.

Maybe the Mac Pro will be more worthwhile.

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It sounds like the target audience for the new Mac Pro will be people who can afford to spend $10k on a quad-CPU machine. I'm sure those people will be happy. But what I want is an upgradable / self-servicable machine that costs under $3k. I hope Apple isn't about to miss the plot again .

I just built a powerful Hackintosh for about $1.5k with Sierra. Was worried about how stable it would be and took good care of researching all the parts that were verified by the community[1]. It's been going good for 3-4 months now. Took some effort to get it all setup but am very happy now. I use this for Video/Photo post-processing, web development mainly. [1] https://www.tonymacx86.com/

People shouldn't use hackintoshes. In addition to being buggy and illegal, it's also disrespectful. They put a ton of work into their os and their right to sell it how they please should be respected. If you don't want to pay, then don't use it.

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How is this not another Trashcan Mac Pro? It is a beautiful, expensive device at launch but has no capability of being upgraded, expanded or experimented with. It looks to have same thermal conundrum as the trashcan needing to dissipate the heat of the screen - all while trapped in a consumer-level shell designed specifically for exterior looks at the cost of performance. Is it not just philosophically incorrect for…

> How is this not another Trashcan Mac Pro? In that it's not a Mac Pro at all. They have (uniquely) pre-announced a tower-style Mac Pro for "not this year"[0] back in April: https://daringfireball.net/2017/04/the_mac_pro_lives [0] and given how precise their wording was, it's not necessarily 2018 either.

OP's point was that the failing of the Trashcan Mac Pro was that it was non-modular design that user's couldn't upgrade and (apparently) Apple couldn't refresh.

Maybe there is the thermal envelope in this design to support a more frequent refresh rate, but this still doesn't address the fundamental "pro" need to be able to mix and match or upgrade core components like the display, RAM, GPU, and storage.

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It's a different part and it has different features. Not having ECC memory support is a big deal for some people, so it's misleading to suggest they're basically the same. They bin things for a reason. If you're happy using a less expensive part with fewer features, great, you can save money. If you're making a top-tier "Pro" product you'll want to avoid cutting corners like that.

It's a different "part" in the stores, but it starts off as the same "chip" in the factory.

Levi's sells many different kinds of jeans made from the same material, buttons and zippers, yet they have different price points.

The materials involved are only one factor.

Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

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What makes you think that? A large part of the cost of the iMac is the screen & design. I would expect an entry level new Mac Pro to cost exactly the same or less than every other Mac Pro, so around 3K.

"From $4999".

For new iMac Pro.

Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

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> But what I want is an upgradable / self-servicable machine that costs under $3k. Yeah that's never going to happen. The Pro iMac starts at $5k. When the Mac Pro does come out it will at least start at that as well, if not higher.

Which is why the "Pro" iMac completely misses the point. Don't want a built in screen. Do want upgradability. $5k to add what I don't want and package it in a way that prevents what I do want.

So wait for the upcoming new Mac Pro sometime next year (probably).

Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

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Gonna leave this here from the official press release as it seems quite a few people have missed this point: "In addition to the new iMac Pro, Apple is working on a completely redesigned, next-generation Mac Pro architected for pro customers who need the highest-end, high-throughput system in a modular design, as well as a new high-end pro display." https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2017/06/imac-pro-most-powerfu... Also…

It sounds like the target audience for the new Mac Pro will be people who can afford to spend $10k on a quad-CPU machine. I'm sure those people will be happy. But what I want is an upgradable / self-servicable machine that costs under $3k. I hope Apple isn't about to miss the plot again .

>I hope Apple isn't about to miss the plot again.

To me this machine is a sign that they had. It has the exact same problems as the Mac Pro design with even less modularity (Pro could swap out drives and ram).

Although I also think this was supposed to replace the Mac Pro line entirely and only in about jan/feb they decided that they still needed a stand alone Pro. So I guess time will tell if they finally release the "xMac" people have been asking for the past 10 years.

Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

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Gonna leave this here from the official press release as it seems quite a few people have missed this point: "In addition to the new iMac Pro, Apple is working on a completely redesigned, next-generation Mac Pro architected for pro customers who need the highest-end, high-throughput system in a modular design, as well as a new high-end pro display." https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2017/06/imac-pro-most-powerfu... Also…

I get that they want a common design language and to simplify supply chain/manufacturing, but why take those compromised butterfly switches and make a desktop keyboard out of them? The previous scissor switch keys were OK. A big improvement over their previous garbage membrane keyboards in fact. But the new keys are really a necessary evil to make thinner laptops - why hamper the desktop experience with them? On the…

>so why not a new mechanical keyboard design for the iMac and Mac Pro

https://input.club/whitefox/ + http://pimpmykeyboard.com/dsa-think-different-keycap-set/

Why even bother begging Apple for this sort of thing when you can support independent creators happy to serve these niches.

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Apple could build a lot of things, but they don't unless there's considerable demand, and mechanical keyboards have very narrow appeal. Matias isn't the only vendor and that's not the only model of mechanical keyboard they make. If you're a mechanical keyboard enthusiast you're living in the golden age of options. You can custom-build your own keyboard, pick individual keycaps, switches, and more. There's vendors lik…

It's true, and I love my HHKB2. But I'd love it more if Apple made it because its plastic enclosure leaves a lot to be desired.

HHKB is popular enough that metal replacement closures exist.

Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

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Gonna leave this here from the official press release as it seems quite a few people have missed this point: "In addition to the new iMac Pro, Apple is working on a completely redesigned, next-generation Mac Pro architected for pro customers who need the highest-end, high-throughput system in a modular design, as well as a new high-end pro display." https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2017/06/imac-pro-most-powerfu... Also…

That is just confusing. There will be a modular Mac Pro that is totally different from this iMac Pro? That leaves me to wonder who exactly this iMac Pro is targeted at.

> That leaves me to wonder who exactly this iMac Pro is targeted at.

People who would have bought the Mac Pro. I think it's obvious that this was supposed to replace it in the lineup.

With the announcement that a Mac Pro is back on the cards I think this becomes a confused product. Locking $5Ks worth of computing power into a disposable shell boggles my mind a bit.

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