Okay, this is just bad. The memory cannot be upgraded by the user. https://twitter.com/9to5mac/status/871852155455537152
Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"
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Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"
#272Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is the standard Apple argument, "You can't get things like this at all". "Well, what about competitors, X, Y and Z?" "Well, you can get things like this, but they might cost more." You're the one that said "5k screens cost $800-$1000 and they're inferior". The retort to that is not to say "Well, that monitor costs $1300". It's like you're only looking to acknowledge cheaper and inferior competitors and stick you…
This is the standard rebuttal to the standard Apple argument. "Why not just build a machine out of individual parts X Y and Z for $nnn less than Apple's price"? It completely ignores, at a minimum: - Apple vertical integration - All-in-one support/replacement - The OS Yes, you can technically build a machine with equivalent hardware specs for some $dollars less. The target market is probably not interested in doing s…
You miss the point. The OP only pointed out cheaper competitors, pointed out crappy ones. Someone said "What about this?" and that was derided for being not cheap or crappy. The intellectually honest answer would be "It might be nice, but it doesn't have an Apple badge on the front".
Yeah, there are valid points here, but don't expect "competitors are cheaper and suck" and "well, sure, but that one costs as much/more" when someone points other alternatives out.
It's like cherry picking cheaper competitors. Similar things happened with the AirPods.
Announcement article here, you can people claiming that nothing else exists and that this is a first.
Like with things like "multi device pairing" (common as dirt, and even NFC tap-to-pair exists. Shared pairing database? That's cool, very true).
Even down to people arguing how "innovative" the charging case was. Others point out that these exist and have, for years. "Oh, well, that case is bigger/looks clunky/you can be sure that it doesn't work as well".
When people point out that -similar- exist, "oh, well, they cost most".
Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"
#273Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is the standard Apple argument, "You can't get things like this at all". "Well, what about competitors, X, Y and Z?" "Well, you can get things like this, but they might cost more." You're the one that said "5k screens cost $800-$1000 and they're inferior". The retort to that is not to say "Well, that monitor costs $1300". It's like you're only looking to acknowledge cheaper and inferior competitors and stick you…
This is the standard rebuttal to the standard Apple argument. "Why not just build a machine out of individual parts X Y and Z for $nnn less than Apple's price"? It completely ignores, at a minimum: - Apple vertical integration - All-in-one support/replacement - The OS Yes, you can technically build a machine with equivalent hardware specs for some $dollars less. The target market is probably not interested in doing s…
I was responding to "A 5k Monitor alone costs around $800-1000 and does not compare in quality to Apple displays"
In which my response was appropriate. The only difference from a monitor perspective is the Apple casing. We're not arguing specs of PC, OS, etc. but that the monitors do not compare to Apple.
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#274Earlier quoted context omitted.
The "consumer-level" shell is a 27" Aluminum heatsink.
Flat aluminum is not a heatsink, you need surface to shed heat, which is why heatsinks generally have fins and the like. Flat aluminum sheds heat better than plastic but it's not very good at it.
> Flat aluminum sheds heat better than plastic but it's not very good at it.
That's why it is a 27" heatsink instead of a 2" one.
Most of the heat is going to be moved out by the dual fans anyway. The Aluminum will dissipate what it picks up from the moving air before it leaves the chassis by the side vents.
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#275"The most powerful Mac ever" - what kind of tech company would release a new product that's worse than the previous one?
Apple's Unnecessary superlatives are tiring.
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#276How is the Radeon Vega going to be used for machine learning without framework support?
https://streamhpc.com/blog/2016-12-15/amd-gets-machine-intel... "AMD will be delivery HIP version of Caffe, Tensorflow, Torch7, MxNet, Theano, CNTK, Chainer, all supporting our new MIOpen – our new Deep Learning solver."
Theyve been saying "will" for a long while now. I'll believe it once they post the github link but expect there to be a long wait
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Thunderbolt.
Yeah, probably the biggest reason. Maybe this will change when Thunderbolt will be royalty-free next year. AMD has the advantage of being the only company on this planet which can combine a high performance x86 CPU and high performance GPU.
I'm kinda hoping for Thunderbolt PCIe cards that aren't tied to a specific brand or board. Would be nice to just throw an x4 or x8 card into an existing system to get one or two TB3 ports for stuff like external storage.
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#278Earlier quoted context omitted.
You mean like the previous Mac Pro?
Yeah, I had a 2008 Mac Pro that was still a damn good machine when I stopped using it in 2012, because I had upgraded its RAM and its hard disk.
I'm still using my Mac Pro from 2008! Upgraded the memory and video card. The colors on the display are completely wonky in the past year so it's being regulated to a plex server. I'm probably paying way too much in energy.
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#279I am so happy I switched to Windows, ha! My 7048A supermicro is running double E5-2650 (2x 10 cores) with 1TB ram, quadro P4000 and it was around 5000$ (not counting displays, which I had).
To be fair, I had a really good wholesale price on the memory, so I guess it doesn't count.
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#280This is Apple's answer to their negligence to the Pro market, and it's hugely disappointing. The iMac was already supposed to be a Pro machine. And then they "New Coke"'d it by making it too thin and susceptible to overheating. Performance suffered and now they're compensating with this machine. At $5000 the iMac Pro falls just short of a ~$2000 Hackintosh. It's still locked into the thin form factor that can't be up…
+1TB 960 Pro SSD : $600
+8 core Xeon E5 could go anywhere from $500 to $2000+ depending on clock rate and generation.
+ Pricing on Vega hasn't been announced yet, but the Apple keynote mentioned 11 Teraflops, which is competitive with a GTX 1080Ti. Say AMD undercuts that, and it's $700.
+ A X99 motherboard will run you around $300.
+ A 10G network card is another $200 at least.
+ 32GB of DDR4 2666 ECC is about $400.
A 5k panel off newegg(only one I see) is $2000, but I know you can at a minimum buy the LG one off apples site which is $1300.
That brings you up to $4000 as a low estimate(lower end E5, 16GB of RAM, low estimate on GPU).
You'll still need to throw in a power supply($150 at least), a case(Say $100), most likely cooling for the CPU and case fans(Another $100), mouse and keyboard(Say $100 for nice but not great).
That gets you up to at least $4,450, and it's unlikely you'll have 4 Thunderbolt 3 ports, a card for that likely won't be cheap either. So $5k for this, depending on Vega pricing, and what CPU is actually in there, sounds fairly reasonable.
That all said I don't need server hardware, and you probably also don't. $2k on a i7 7700K or i5 7600K, a GTX 1070 - GTX 1080TI, a 512 850 Evo, a 1440p panel, 16GB of non-ECC ram, is what feels like the price/performance sweet spot right now, and Apple isn't in that market. That doesn't mean though this product is overpriced.