How is the Radeon Vega going to be used for machine learning without framework support?
Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"
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Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"
#32Gonna leave this here from the official press release as it seems quite a few people have missed this point:
"In addition to the new iMac Pro, Apple is working on a completely redesigned, next-generation Mac Pro architected for pro customers who need the highest-end, high-throughput system in a modular design, as well as a new high-end pro display."
https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2017/06/imac-pro-most-powerfu...
Also, I want that black keyboard!
Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"
#33It is interesting that they have gone this direction, since Pros were clearly asking for something more akin to the cheese gater. The price for the entry-level model is also pretty bad. It's also a shame that the Mac Mini seems to be dead (at least no updates in the keynote). At least the MacBook and iMac line got nice bumps.
> It's also a shame that the Mac Mini seems to be dead (at least no updates in the keynote).
Yeah which is really too bad. I bet there's a larger market for a "Mac Mini Pro" with similar specs to this iMac, but without the integrated display (and hefty price premium Apple exerts).
I seriously don't understand how Apple supposedly have time to design an advanced cooling system for the iMac Pro yet can't come up with a bog-standard cheese grater case like the previous Mac Pro design...
Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"
#34This is Apple's answer to their negligence to the Pro market, and it's hugely disappointing. The iMac was already supposed to be a Pro machine. And then they "New Coke"'d it by making it too thin and susceptible to overheating. Performance suffered and now they're compensating with this machine. At $5000 the iMac Pro falls just short of a ~$2000 Hackintosh. It's still locked into the thin form factor that can't be up…
Why do you assume that heat ventilation will be an issue with the iMac Pro?
Let's take all the heat issues from the traschan pro, strap on a 5k display and put it into a consumer-level shell. Yeah... heat will be a problem.
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#35I just can't believe they chose the 18-core 2018 Intel vaporware chip [1] over this year's 16-core AMD Threadripper. Very strange decision on Apple's part. Not to mention they could've sold the iMac Pro for like $1,000 less. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWFzWRoVNnE
I believe that OSX is optimized for Intel's brand of x86 - might have been too much effort to switch vendors when it comes to future kernel support.
macOS does not seem like an OS that has been optimized much at all in regards to the CPU.
Also, Apple dragged macOS from PPC to x86; switching x86 implementations is no big deal for the rest of the world, it surely should not be a challenge for Apple.
Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"
#36Maybe I'm a sheep but I think it's great.
Up to 128GB ECC, up to 18 cores, large NVMe SSDs with up to 3GB/s speeds (likely reads, but probably also writes), and it's in that beautiful grey / black. Really cool. The 8-core model at 5k seems reasonable to me since the monitor is likely 2k itself.
You'll probably see a lot of them being bought for upper eschelon developers at hip startups. And the TCO of a mac vs. a beige box PC is said to be much lower by way of lower incidents of issues, failures, etc.
Edit: the one processor e5 16xx chip is less than a grand. That changes the value proposition of the iMac pro but if I had the cash I'd still get one.
Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"
#37This is Apple's answer to their negligence to the Pro market, and it's hugely disappointing. The iMac was already supposed to be a Pro machine. And then they "New Coke"'d it by making it too thin and susceptible to overheating. Performance suffered and now they're compensating with this machine. At $5000 the iMac Pro falls just short of a ~$2000 Hackintosh. It's still locked into the thin form factor that can't be up…
>That description means the new all-in-one machine will rival the current Mac Pro which will be replaced with a modular version in the future.
Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"
#38This is Apple's answer to their negligence to the Pro market, and it's hugely disappointing. The iMac was already supposed to be a Pro machine. And then they "New Coke"'d it by making it too thin and susceptible to overheating. Performance suffered and now they're compensating with this machine. At $5000 the iMac Pro falls just short of a ~$2000 Hackintosh. It's still locked into the thin form factor that can't be up…
> This is Apple's answer to their negligence to the Pro market, Nah, this is the stopgap they talked about when they had their "Come to Jesus" meeting with bloggers. A real big boxy Mac Pro is supposed to come after 2017. Pre-announced, which Apple never does. See: https://daringfireball.net/2017/04/the_mac_pro_lives EDIT: They didn't actually say 2018, just "not in 2017"
Are you sure there will be an actual Mac Pro later? This iMac Pro seems to be their 'Pro' desktop offering.
Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"
#39How is this not another Trashcan Mac Pro? It is a beautiful, expensive device at launch but has no capability of being upgraded, expanded or experimented with. It looks to have same thermal conundrum as the trashcan needing to dissipate the heat of the screen - all while trapped in a consumer-level shell designed specifically for exterior looks at the cost of performance. Is it not just philosophically incorrect for…
I'd say an external GPU introduces pretty significant upgrade potential.
Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"
#40This is Apple's answer to their negligence to the Pro market, and it's hugely disappointing. The iMac was already supposed to be a Pro machine. And then they "New Coke"'d it by making it too thin and susceptible to overheating. Performance suffered and now they're compensating with this machine. At $5000 the iMac Pro falls just short of a ~$2000 Hackintosh. It's still locked into the thin form factor that can't be up…
> and does not vent heat well enough
They made it a point that the heat dissipation capacity is sufficient, 80% more than the non-pro iMac.
edit: updated from the press-release.