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Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

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Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

#52
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is Apple's answer to their negligence to the Pro market, Nah, this is the stopgap they talked about when they had their "Come to Jesus" meeting with bloggers. A real big boxy Mac Pro is supposed to come after 2017. Pre-announced, which Apple never does. See: https://daringfireball.net/2017/04/the_mac_pro_lives EDIT: They didn't actually say 2018, just "not in 2017"

Are you sure there will be an actual Mac Pro later? This iMac Pro seems to be their 'Pro' desktop offering.

"Prediction is difficult, especially about the future".

But this is what Apple said:

"These next-gen Mac Pros and pro displays “will not ship this year”. (I hope that means “next year”, but all Apple said was “not this year”.) In the meantime, Apple is today releasing meager speed-bump updates to the existing Mac Pros. The $2999 model goes from 4 Xeon CPU cores to 6, and from dual AMD G300 GPUs to dual G500 GPUs. The $3999 model goes from 6 CPU cores to 8, and from dual D500 GPUs to dual D800 D700 GPUs. Nothing else is changing, including the ports. No USB-C, no Thunderbolt 3 (and so no support for the LG UltraFine 5K display).

But more good news, too:

Apple has “great” new iMacs in the pipeline, slated for release “this year”, including configurations specifically targeted at large segments of the pro market."

From the article I linked.

Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

#53
post #9

This is Apple's answer to their negligence to the Pro market, and it's hugely disappointing. The iMac was already supposed to be a Pro machine. And then they "New Coke"'d it by making it too thin and susceptible to overheating. Performance suffered and now they're compensating with this machine. At $5000 the iMac Pro falls just short of a ~$2000 Hackintosh. It's still locked into the thin form factor that can't be up…

How about we wait until we know more about it and their future Mac Pro plans before passing judgement, hm?

Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

#54
post #9

This is Apple's answer to their negligence to the Pro market, and it's hugely disappointing. The iMac was already supposed to be a Pro machine. And then they "New Coke"'d it by making it too thin and susceptible to overheating. Performance suffered and now they're compensating with this machine. At $5000 the iMac Pro falls just short of a ~$2000 Hackintosh. It's still locked into the thin form factor that can't be up…

"In addition to the new iMac Pro, Apple is working on a completely redesigned, next-generation Mac Pro architected for pro customers who need the highest-end, high-throughput system in a modular design, as well as a new high-end pro display."

See: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2017/06/imac-pro-most-powerfu...

Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

#56

Gonna leave this here from the official press release as it seems quite a few people have missed this point: "In addition to the new iMac Pro, Apple is working on a completely redesigned, next-generation Mac Pro architected for pro customers who need the highest-end, high-throughput system in a modular design, as well as a new high-end pro display." https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2017/06/imac-pro-most-powerfu... Also…

That is just confusing. There will be a modular Mac Pro that is totally different from this iMac Pro? That leaves me to wonder who exactly this iMac Pro is targeted at.

Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

#58
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you assume that heat ventilation will be an issue with the iMac Pro?

They mentioned this during the product announcement. It has completely different cooling, with dual centrifugal fans. http://live.arstechnica.com/apples-wwdc-2017-keynote-liveblo... (From the Ars liveblog http://live.arstechnica.com/apples-wwdc-2017-keynote-liveblo... )

Anyone buying a $5000 rev 1 Apple product knows what's going to happen...

Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's an 8-core Xeon, it's gotta be an E5. So the CPU alone could run $2,000 (pricing for E5 2667 v4, this probably uses an equivalent Skylake Xeon which isn't out yet).

yes - E5 2667v4 is 2k. The equivalent monitor/panel is likely 2k, that's already 4k so it seems like a decent value. http://ark.intel.com/products/92979/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-... Edit: the one processor version of this processor is less than a grand. So that changes the math. Apple is likely making a good amount on each mac pro sold. As they should. I want them to keep making prosumor hardware.

Who wants a 27" 5k monitor? Weird thing to try and price against, since you can get better monitors for less.

Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

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post #20
post #9

This is Apple's answer to their negligence to the Pro market, and it's hugely disappointing. The iMac was already supposed to be a Pro machine. And then they "New Coke"'d it by making it too thin and susceptible to overheating. Performance suffered and now they're compensating with this machine. At $5000 the iMac Pro falls just short of a ~$2000 Hackintosh. It's still locked into the thin form factor that can't be up…

If it's an 8-core Xeon, it's gotta be an E5. So the CPU alone could run $2,000 (pricing for E5 2667 v4, this probably uses an equivalent Skylake Xeon which isn't out yet).

One of the slides says 18 core Xeon, which is the equivalent of the newly announced core i9. But they're also saying ECC memory, so they are in server chip land.
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