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India, Once a Coal Goliath, Is Fast Turning Green

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Re: India, Once a Coal Goliath, Is Fast Turning Green

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Parts of the theory of disruption - specifically that an entity with less entrenched structures, can solve problems in more efficient ways - applies to nation states as well. When 25% of your country has no electricity at all, you get to imagine parts of your grid from the ground up. If there's an expectation of load-shedding and your grid doesn't have to be at a 100% in all places, you have room to make mistakes. Mo…

is "theory of disruption" a new term ? Does it deal with other structural resistance ? Such as big companies unable to decide whether to keep reaping benefits of past success or saw their own branch to evolve the market into a new and probably better state ?

Re: India, Once a Coal Goliath, Is Fast Turning Green

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Different countries have different interest rates. While most developed countries have both inflation rates and bank deposit rates close to zero, there are a few countries with high inflation and high interest rates.

Arbitrage opportunity?

The higher interest rate covers the higher inflation. Currencies are very well arbitraged already, I wouldn't expect any inefficiencies to profit from.

Re: India, Once a Coal Goliath, Is Fast Turning Green

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Of course India was allowed to use more coal. Paris is a voluntary agreement. India, like all countries, can do whatever on earth they want. Just like Trump could've stayed in the agreement, behind the scenes done absolutely nothing for the environment (like he is now) and there would've been a lot less criticism. The fact he didn't choose this option tells you everything. It was a political decision only.

Doesn't it also stop the transfer of money from US to other countries e.g. the $100 billion annually funded by the developed nations for developing nations? If that's the case, it's not a political decision only.

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Re: India, Once a Coal Goliath, Is Fast Turning Green

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per capita is pretty good measure of efficiency but environmental impact is probably better measured by emissions per area of the country? am I wrong?

> am I wrong? Yes. Area doesn't consume energy, people do. Otherwise Russia would be the most eco-friendly country in the world, and something like Luxembourg should be considered an abject failure of environmental policy.

I am just stating that more pollution per square foot will destroy that part of earth more and therefore damage environment more. So objectively speaking you are correct, social issues aside, Luxembourg should be considered an abject failure of environmental policy. But the issue of pollution is complicated and involves social issues so my perspective is not very helpful when you make policy decisions or include fairness towards people, etc.

Re: India, Once a Coal Goliath, Is Fast Turning Green

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Parts of the theory of disruption - specifically that an entity with less entrenched structures, can solve problems in more efficient ways - applies to nation states as well. When 25% of your country has no electricity at all, you get to imagine parts of your grid from the ground up. If there's an expectation of load-shedding and your grid doesn't have to be at a 100% in all places, you have room to make mistakes. Mo…

See Wikipedia entry for Leapfrogging for more info: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leapfrogging

Re: India, Once a Coal Goliath, Is Fast Turning Green

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Ha! Try telling this to the current Australian government... The current narrative is that India desperately needs coal and our coal is the cleanest, so we need to dig it up [1] and sell it to them to help fight climate change, because otherwise they're going to get 'dirtier' coal from somewhere else. If you disagree, then you believe that Indians don't deserve electricity. And this isn't a strawman, this is almost v…

You're missing the other side of the story. Which is that the current Australian government has also been undermining the renewable energy sector for years forcing projects to be cancelled and talent to leave overseas. I've never understood given how decent Australia through the CSIRO has been at commercialising innovation why we never invested more in the renewable energy sector.

Sounds like textbook regulatory capture?

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I am a young Indian. I have a dream . The dream that we are running electric vehicles. We have banned plastic everywhere. We have stopped burning our garbage. We have improved air quality. I think we can start with auto-rikshaws and public transport. Auto rickshaw constitute to a lot of traffic and pollution in the cities. We could replace them with smart electric ones. They move around only in cities so it won't be…

Auto-rickshaws are already ALL electric in some cities. Haridwar for one.

India is a large country.

Re: India, Once a Coal Goliath, Is Fast Turning Green

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post #104

I am a young Indian. I have a dream . The dream that we are running electric vehicles. We have banned plastic everywhere. We have stopped burning our garbage. We have improved air quality. I think we can start with auto-rikshaws and public transport. Auto rickshaw constitute to a lot of traffic and pollution in the cities. We could replace them with smart electric ones. They move around only in cities so it won't be…

Auto-rickshaws are already ALL electric in some cities. Haridwar for one.

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Re: India, Once a Coal Goliath, Is Fast Turning Green

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This seems precisely timed considering how Trump backed out of the Paris agreements partially because India was allowed to build MORE coal.

There are two reasons why Trump backed out: (a) he enjoys the look of horror on conscientious' peoples' faces, and (b) it was the only quick "win" with his hardcore supporters that was available. It's disingenuous to insist that India should lower their power consumption, considering they currently consume only 1/15 as much as the US per capita: http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EG.USE.ELEC.KH.PC?contex...

>It's disingenuous to insist that India should lower their power consumption,

The gp is, to me at least, making a point about the nytimes.

Re: India, Once a Coal Goliath, Is Fast Turning Green

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Auto-rickshaws are already ALL electric in some cities. Haridwar for one.

India is a large country.

Yeah. But we have got to start somewhere. First we can focus on cities and then move towards rural India.
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