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Re: India, Once a Coal Goliath, Is Fast Turning Green

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Post by rtx » Sat, Jun 03, 2017, 4:03 AM UTC

e9 wrote: post #62

abhishivsaxena wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please look at per capita emissions of India compared to other countries before making such statements. Wonder how Indians do a damage to the enviornment, by having the lowest per capita emissions on planet. FYI - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_di...

per capita is pretty good measure of efficiency but environmental impact is probably better measured by emissions per area of the country? am I wrong?

You are right we shouldn't be focusing on on per capita emission.

Re: India, Once a Coal Goliath, Is Fast Turning Green

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Post by djohnston » Sat, Jun 03, 2017, 4:04 AM UTC

greglindahl wrote: post #75

orasis wrote: post #53

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When was the last time you earned a noteworthy amount of interest on a bank deposit?

Different countries have different interest rates. While most developed countries have both inflation rates and bank deposit rates close to zero, there are a few countries with high inflation and high interest rates.

Arbitrage opportunity?

Re: India, Once a Coal Goliath, Is Fast Turning Green

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Post by digital_ins » Sat, Jun 03, 2017, 4:06 AM UTC

digital_ins wrote: post #78

sfifs wrote: post #48

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Australian coal is currently largely used for steel making in India as "coking coal" as far as I know. Power generation is largely local coal. A few power plants that depend on imported coal have been proposed but hardly any have come through as the political process of acquiring coal has been undependable. Source: Metallurgical engineering background

That's not true. As anyone in the power industry will tell you, Indian coal, tho voluminous in availability, has a relatively very low calorific content and relatively much higher Ash content. As a result, disposal of ash is far more expensive than project economics can sustain. As a result, imported coal IS the standard, domestic coal may be used as a supplement, and long term supply contracts from local traders who…

Also, you're absolutely wrong about imported coal plants being rare. I don't know of any critical or super critical plants that could use 100% domestic coal without having to blatantly lie on their EIA study about ash disposal. It's just not viable.

Re: India, Once a Coal Goliath, Is Fast Turning Green

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Post by known » Sat, Jun 03, 2017, 4:11 AM UTC

Can you unilaterally walk out of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militarisation_of_space

Re: India, Once a Coal Goliath, Is Fast Turning Green

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Post by nradov » Sat, Jun 03, 2017, 4:12 AM UTC

rtx wrote: post #79

xrange wrote: post #22

Anyone know more about India's nuclear story? At one time they were focusing on thorium. I wonder what we could do to spur on a little more competition with China. http://www.world-nuclear.org/information-library/current-and...

Western NGOs don't like it.

Which NGOs and what are they doing about it?

Re: India, Once a Coal Goliath, Is Fast Turning Green

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Post by unsupak » Sat, Jun 03, 2017, 4:12 AM UTC

Article headline is be misleading, India is still using 54% Coal in its Energy mix. India is still the top emitter of green house gases in the world.

Re: India, Once a Coal Goliath, Is Fast Turning Green

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Post by pvsukale3 » Sat, Jun 03, 2017, 4:14 AM UTC

I am a young Indian. I have a dream . The dream that we are running electric vehicles. We have banned plastic everywhere. We have stopped burning our garbage. We have improved air quality. I think we can start with auto-rikshaws and public transport. Auto rickshaw constitute to a lot of traffic and pollution in the cities. We could replace them with smart electric ones. They move around only in cities so it won't be a big problem to build charging infrastructure. Then we could replace buses and increase their number. Ofcourse we need a lot of subsidies and incentives to make it happen. But it is POSSIBLE. but I need to build billion dollars companies ,sell them . Then use all that money to build this dream. I think someone did something like this in USA right? ;)

Re: India, Once a Coal Goliath, Is Fast Turning Green

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Post by matt4077 » Sat, Jun 03, 2017, 4:14 AM UTC

jklinger410 wrote: post #74

This seems precisely timed considering how Trump backed out of the Paris agreements partially because India was allowed to build MORE coal.

There are two reasons why Trump backed out: (a) he enjoys the look of horror on conscientious' peoples' faces, and (b) it was the only quick "win" with his hardcore supporters that was available.

It's disingenuous to insist that India should lower their power consumption, considering they currently consume only 1/15 as much as the US per capita: http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EG.USE.ELEC.KH.PC?contex...

Re: India, Once a Coal Goliath, Is Fast Turning Green

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Post by the8472 » Sat, Jun 03, 2017, 4:17 AM UTC

theprop wrote: post #2

India is doing pretty well in green energy on the whole! India has the 4th largest energy generator from wind in the world. India has the largest solar power plant in the world (Kamuthi in Tamil Nadu). I at least hope that India is not inclined to return to coal with the US's exit from the Paris accord. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_by_country http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/12/02/india-solar-power-pl...

> India is doing pretty well in green energy on the whole! India has the 4th largest energy generator from wind in the world.

The absolute amount is not very useful since you have uneven binning: the size and population of countries varies dramatically.

You need to look at percentages.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_electrici...

Re: India, Once a Coal Goliath, Is Fast Turning Green

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Post by matt4077 » Sat, Jun 03, 2017, 4:19 AM UTC

robattila128 wrote: post #68

After watching this talk show with Alex Epstein I've realized the word 'green' is largely bs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw-1ohbRDrE Green doesn't automatically mean better, and dirty does not mean coal and fossil fuels. It is how the technology is used. He argues alternative energy leads to deforestation, destruction of habitats, and deaths from vegetable oil which otherwise could be used to prevent some starva…

All methods of power generation involve trade-offs. But this is rather transparent attempt to muddy the waters. Just one short point because this idiot doesn't deserve more: Hunger isn't a problem of production. We produce enough calories to feed the world twice. It's a problem of distribution, infrastructure, and economics.