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The Slow Criminalization of Peer-To-Peer Transfers

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Re: The Slow Criminalization of Peer-To-Peer Transfers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps the value is the fact a central bank can't obliterate the value of the currency based on a whim, using a bunch of esoteric economic logic to justify such policies?

No, instead a small set of Chinese miners can obliterate the value instead.

Have you looked at the current hashrate distribution?

Re: The Slow Criminalization of Peer-To-Peer Transfers

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The value of bitcoin was always to evade taxes and launder money, both of which are criminal enterprises, the only thing that is changing is enforcement.

Criminal to governments, sure.

But peaceful political activism is criminal to many governments. Bitcoin serves an important purpose of helping to circumvent local product/service bans.

Yes, that is likely illegal. But it's certainly not categorically wrong.

Re: The Slow Criminalization of Peer-To-Peer Transfers

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The value of bitcoin was always to evade taxes and launder money, both of which are criminal enterprises, the only thing that is changing is enforcement.

With deterministic statements like this you are no different than the current President of the United States. In my opinion you should approach topics from more than one angle and then only make deterministic statements when you decided what agenda you want to push.

Re: The Slow Criminalization of Peer-To-Peer Transfers

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The value of bitcoin was always to evade taxes and launder money, both of which are criminal enterprises, the only thing that is changing is enforcement.

There are all kinds of legal and legitimate reasons to pay for something in a way that isn't easily tracked. You can do it now with cash and it isn't illegal. Just because you want privacy does not mean you are a criminal.

Re: The Slow Criminalization of Peer-To-Peer Transfers

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The value of bitcoin was always to evade taxes and launder money, both of which are criminal enterprises, the only thing that is changing is enforcement.

I found it useful for lower costs in sending money across country and currency borders.

Someone will reply and say it's not actually cheaper, but what is available for the average joe it is definitely cheaper. It's also faster and more convenient if both sides have bitcoin exchange accounts.

Re: The Slow Criminalization of Peer-To-Peer Transfers

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The value of bitcoin was always to evade taxes and launder money, both of which are criminal enterprises, the only thing that is changing is enforcement.

Peer-to-peer electronic cash has numerous uses beyond tax evasion and money laundering, just as physical cash does.

But to your point, even these laws are part of a new trend. Money laundering is a relatively new crime, and widespread taxation of private transactions only came into force in the early 20th century, with governments around the world instituting income taxation.

50 years ago, almost all transactions were in cash, and the income tax was widely evaded through the use of cash. The government knew very little about what people were buying and how much wealth they had. With the emergence of electronic payment systems, large Trusted Third Parties emerged that collated transactions, and settled them periodically through the respective central bank. These TTPs became gatekeepers and information gatherers, and enabled central authorities to monitor the most intimate interactions of the population - their financial interactions - in incredible detail. Cryptocurrency holds the promise of returning privacy and economic power back to the decentralized distribution that historically existed, but power, once attained, is jealously guarded, and those who have it will likely not want to give it up.

Re: The Slow Criminalization of Peer-To-Peer Transfers

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This is unfortunate. The world needs electronic cash, for all the same reasons it needs physical cash. If it weren't for financial bearer instruments, millions would have died all across the globe over the last decade.

To understand why, you have to understand System D. System D is the global informal economy, and it is $14 trillion in size.

It provides a lifeline for hundreds of millions of people around the world who cannot operate in the formal economy due to a myriad of structural deficiencies in their economy. The only type of money that works in System D is cash. With electronic cash, the opportunities System D affords expand. Suddenly people in the informal economy can rent servers, and sell digital music online. They are not just confined to their local economy. The benefits of economic development through expansion of System D, in reducing mortality rates, crime and civil strife, far outweigh the cost of criminal activity that is enabled by electronic cash at the margins.

Re: The Slow Criminalization of Peer-To-Peer Transfers

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So if I sell a bitcoin to my friend for cash, I'm breaking the law?

Nope, but if you started a business where your friends gathered to sell each other large enough quantities of bitcoin for cash you would be.

(Edited to add that IANAL and none of this is actually legal advice.)

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