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WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United States Climate Alliance

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Re: WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United States Climate Alliance

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Post by ubernostrum »

larsiusprime wrote: post #71
michaelchisari wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except that there is overwhelming truth to it. There are now, effectively, two economic models for states to follow, and they're very partisan models. There is the California model (high taxes, high minimum wage, strong environmental standards, strong labor protections, etc) and the Kansas model (cut taxes, privatization, gutting protections). California's growth rate compared to Kansas' growth rate is a matter of ni…

There are not 'blue' and 'red' states -- this is an artifact of the electoral college. There are huge 'red' zones mixed throughout 'blue' california. Usa on the whole is purple. EDIT: Yes, I'm aware of distortions in the electoral college. My point is that some people seem to think that California is this massive blue block and that rural population you know, doesn't matter. The divide is not "red state" vs "blue sta…

California has "red" areas, yes, but at the level of state government they are drowned out just as they are in the electoral college. State-level policies are heavily "blue".

Re: WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United States Climate Alliance

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Post by thesmallestcat »

jensenbox wrote: post #38
artpop wrote: post #20

This is starting to sound like the “Rim States” from the science fiction novel Black Man (Thirteen) by Richard K. Morgan. Basically the blue and red states separate in the future because they couldn’t resolve their differences. The blue states go on to prosper and the red states languish. It struck me how plausible it sounded when I read it. Now with the commander in shit-the-bed Donald Trump and the rising tide self…

I know it sounds nuts, but why not merge into Canada? Just get Oregon on board and you are golden.

Mostly because no cost would be seen as too high for maintaining access to the Pacific. Also, the Pacific Coast and Sierra Nevada range are crucial elements of US defense strategy. The US also has some substantial military bases and accompanying sympathetic populations in CA, especially in the San Diego area.

Re: WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United States Climate Alliance

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Post by larsiusprime »

olewhalehunter wrote: post #72
erik-g wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because states can't leave the Union.

"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among..."

Ie, Civil War.

Re: WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United States Climate Alliance

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Post by dreamthtwasrome »

IChangedCareers wrote: post #8

Noting that all three are (D). Statement of fact, and not opinion attempt. The actionable items on renewables are also huge with deregulation of energy sectors in these three states which is huge impact. Also noting, the lobbyst are all renewable folks - et al Tesla. :) SolarCity ... wonder who was pushing this? ya. Again .... not a political statement. Just pointing out the obvious.

There is only one party, Capitalism, and they have two departments: Democrats and Republicans. The others whom stand against them are the DINOs and RINOs like JusticeDemocrats, BrandNewCongress and Sanders whom are currently at the margins attempting reform. (Third parties are mere delusions without an overwheling majority of power players that can jump ship together.) If the grassroots has any hope, it will be a grassroots-demanded trend to clean money politics and push out establishment decay these insurgents bring to the table.

Re: WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United States Climate Alliance

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Post by baobrain »

AJRF wrote: post #63
abalashov wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but it's more than just % of GDP. Think about the outsized influence Texas has on school textbooks nationwide. Same idea with CA/NY/WA/TX in other areas.

Could you explain this for a non-American? Is there a committee that sets national curriculum that is heavily influcenced by Texans?

IANAEducationExpert

Textbooks are written by publishers and reviewed by boards appointed by the state. However, this is a costly process and most small states do not bother with it. Due to the size of Texas, it makes sense for them to review and direct the writing of their own textbooks.

Thus, small states will often use textbooks originally published and directed by Texas(or another large state) for their school curriculum. This is why it's such a huge deal when removes from their curriculum.

Re: WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United States Climate Alliance

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Post by adventist »

chasing wrote: post #23
IChangedCareers wrote: post #8

Noting that all three are (D). Statement of fact, and not opinion attempt. The actionable items on renewables are also huge with deregulation of energy sectors in these three states which is huge impact. Also noting, the lobbyst are all renewable folks - et al Tesla. :) SolarCity ... wonder who was pushing this? ya. Again .... not a political statement. Just pointing out the obvious.

You're someone who has been on Hacker News for almost five months and the only other comment you made before today was how you'd totally be a porn star, cos, y'know, free sex and drugs. I'm not trying to say anything, I'm just saying. Just pointing it out. And maybe this isn't some grand liberal conspiracy because it's something that the entire planet and most Americans believe is a huge problem and maybe some intell…

not cool man. not cool.

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Post by spamizbad »

mudil wrote: post #80
artpop wrote: post #20

This is starting to sound like the “Rim States” from the science fiction novel Black Man (Thirteen) by Richard K. Morgan. Basically the blue and red states separate in the future because they couldn’t resolve their differences. The blue states go on to prosper and the red states languish. It struck me how plausible it sounded when I read it. Now with the commander in shit-the-bed Donald Trump and the rising tide self…

S&P, Moody's Downgrade Illinois to Near Junk, Lowest Ever for U.S. State https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-01/illinois-...

At the state-level, Illinois has the fewest government employees per 1000 citizens. Source: http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sdut-ap-data-states-shed...

Our medicaid costs are below the national average. Per-capita education costs are also some of the lowest (at the state level - IL depends heavily on local property taxes)

Our Republican governor has been unable to cut any state-level waste for that very reason: The entire state government is already runs lean.

We're in a budget mess because of pension obligations, not because we're a bunch of hippie spendthrifts.

Re: WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United States Climate Alliance

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Post by noonespecial »

oh_sigh wrote: post #36
artpop wrote: post #20

This is starting to sound like the “Rim States” from the science fiction novel Black Man (Thirteen) by Richard K. Morgan. Basically the blue and red states separate in the future because they couldn’t resolve their differences. The blue states go on to prosper and the red states languish. It struck me how plausible it sounded when I read it. Now with the commander in shit-the-bed Donald Trump and the rising tide self…

Your comment was reasonable until you called him "commander in shit-the-bed". I'd suggest holding back on that kind of rhetoric if you want people to consider your opinion.

Don't think you should be dv'd either. We need to remember to respect the office even when we don't respect the person.

Eventually "our person" will once again hold the office of POTUS and we'll need it to be a respectable position of power.

Re: WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United States Climate Alliance

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Post by toehead2000 »

Pyxl101 wrote: post #65
Karrot_Kream wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I'm happy that the states are picking up the slack, are you really insinuating that the Red states are leading to their own self-destruction, going on to "languish"? I'm saddened that people have this viewpoint over such a large swath of the country.

There was an interesting analysis a while back that showed US states and presented which ones contributed the most federal taxes, and which received the most federal aid -- and then showed that breakdown according to political affiliation. From what I recall, many of the "red" (majority Republican) states receive significantly more federal aid than they contribute in taxes, and many "blue" (majority Democrat) states…

I'd be interested to see this broken down by category, but at least some of this disproportionate money is for transportation (maintenance of the national highway system) which is a benefit to the whole country (you're not going to get your steaks trucked into your whole foods without an interstate highway system) as well as necessary for national defense.

Many of these states also have large amounts of BLM land, and it's not clear from these articles how money to maintain that land is accounted for.

Re: WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United States Climate Alliance

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Post by ibrahima »

AJRF wrote: post #63
abalashov wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but it's more than just % of GDP. Think about the outsized influence Texas has on school textbooks nationwide. Same idea with CA/NY/WA/TX in other areas.

Could you explain this for a non-American? Is there a committee that sets national curriculum that is heavily influcenced by Texans?

I think the idea of states having national influence in these matters comes from the fact that if a producer of some sort (textbooks, cars, etc) wants to sell something across the US, they need to follow the strictest standards that populous states have, or else they need to have separate cars for California, separate textbooks for Texas, etc. I guess it can be more expensive to do that, so they end up just meeting the stricter conditions nationwide when that makes more sense.
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