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WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United States Climate Alliance

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Re: WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United States Climate Alliance

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Impossible with the current Texas governor.

I wouldn't be so sure, if Rex Tillerson was in favor of staying in Paris, why wouldn't the governor of Texas?

The Texas governor has constituents and voters that hold him accountable.

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Impossible with the current Texas governor.

I wouldn't be so sure, if Rex Tillerson was in favor of staying in Paris, why wouldn't the governor of Texas?

Rex doesn't have to try to get re-elected.

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post #6

Maybe we can get Phoenix in on this too? http://www.azfamily.com/story/35561955/phoenix-mayor-vows-to...

Global warming might be a bad deal for Arizona.

But most big city governments are going to be run by liberal Democrats because...they are big cities. Not that they are wrong, just pointing that out.

Re: WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United States Climate Alliance

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If they could just somehow recruit Texas to the cause, they'd pretty much have the leverage, as anchors of economics and policy for much of the rest of the country.

Texas runs its own power grid. Not the same interest as NY and CA in particular. They are probably actually cleaner than both combined?

I'm not sure why Texas would be particularly clean, it has abundant quantities of coal and natural gas. It also has an abundance of wind, but I'd be surprised if its wind power production is even a tenth of its combined fossil fuel power production.

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Impossible with the current Texas governor.

I wouldn't be so sure, if Rex Tillerson was in favor of staying in Paris, why wouldn't the governor of Texas?

I believe Tillerson wanted to stay in Paris so the United States would be involved in the program and shape it's direction. I'd say that's quite a bit different than voluntarily taking on the pledges for Texas.

Maybe Abbott will surprise us though

Re: WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United States Climate Alliance

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Noting that all three are (D). Statement of fact, and not opinion attempt. The actionable items on renewables are also huge with deregulation of energy sectors in these three states which is huge impact. Also noting, the lobbyst are all renewable folks - et al Tesla. :) SolarCity ... wonder who was pushing this? ya. Again .... not a political statement. Just pointing out the obvious.

What lobbyists are you talking about? Are you claiming there aren't any companies outside the renewable energy space lobbying in favor of the Paris Agreement? Have you heard of Exxon?

Re: WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United States Climate Alliance

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If they could just somehow recruit Texas to the cause, they'd pretty much have the leverage, as anchors of economics and policy for much of the rest of the country.

You are right, these 3 states currently represent 24.7% of the US GDP, with TX they would get to 33.5% https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_Gross_S...

Yeah, but it's more than just % of GDP. Think about the outsized influence Texas has on school textbooks nationwide. Same idea with CA/NY/WA/TX in other areas.

Re: WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United States Climate Alliance

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If they could just somehow recruit Texas to the cause, they'd pretty much have the leverage, as anchors of economics and policy for much of the rest of the country.

Texas runs its own power grid. Not the same interest as NY and CA in particular. They are probably actually cleaner than both combined?

From a pure electricity standpoint, they're doing pretty good. It's almost all zero carbon or low carbon (NG) generation.

https://www.eia.gov/state/?sid=TX#tabs-4

Of course the real problem is their oil industry. They export a shit ton of oil, and they are extremely well connected to every aspect of state politics.

Re: WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United States Climate Alliance

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This is starting to sound like the “Rim States” from the science fiction novel Black Man (Thirteen) by Richard K. Morgan. Basically the blue and red states separate in the future because they couldn’t resolve their differences. The blue states go on to prosper and the red states languish.

It struck me how plausible it sounded when I read it. Now with the commander in shit-the-bed Donald Trump and the rising tide self-destructive behaviour, it’s looking like a good option to me.

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