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I get the same feeling even for smaller scale projects. I was looking at the I-90 at Snoqualmie Pass from below - it's effectively a very long bridge over the area there - and wondering whether I will see such infrastructure projects in my lifetime. For the curious, here are some photos of that place: https://pemco.com/blog/Lists/Photos/denny_creek_viaduct_capt... http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/36708233.…
Maybe not in the US but certainly in other countries. HK currently demonstrates that with their bridge to Macau and France's Millau Viaduct is at least as impressive as the Snoqualmie Pass [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millau_Viaduct
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Or maybe your terrible political system has made you jaded and not realize that democracy is still a thing of the people ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Yes, whoever owns CNN can use up all his airtime telling you that X is the greatest vandidate that's ever lived and yes, he will reach more people than I ever will. Yet, his vote has the exact same value as mine. Impose limits, educate people. You'll see that things will improve. Yes, it'…
>Yes, whoever owns CNN can use up all his airtime telling you that X is the greatest vandidate that's ever lived and yes, he will reach more people than I ever will. Yet, his vote has the exact same value as mine. Interesting logic. Let's try applying it to the completely obvious parallel: "Yes, whoever owns boatloads of money can use up all his money buying TV ads telling you that X is the greatest candidate that's…
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And that's why electric cars will the death of anti-car sentiment.
The lead batteries make them less "clean" than many people imagine. Lead is a hazardous waste, batteries do not last forever and car batteries are quite large.
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I think you just ignored my questions about how the specifics of this work. Again, say the CEO decides to create a video to explain his point of view. Is that a problem? Is it a problem if he pays for production of that video? Is it a problem if he gets several people together to pay for the production of that video? Where do you, personally, draw the line? Making yourself heard on television commonly takes the form…
>Making yourself heard on television commonly takes the form of TV advertising, which is all about money, unfortunately. Like I answered in your other post, equality of air time for each candidate. I know, you've had twenty something candidates, and it would be hard to make that work. Tough luck, that's the price to pay for a fairer election. I don't envy your ridiculous two year long campaigns, but at least you'd ge…
Where "air time" means "time across all possible cable channels", right?
And presumably equality of "youtube time" too? How do you even measure this?
Seriously, we're way past there being 5 broadcast TV networks and nothing else where you could try enforcing some sort of mandate.
Keep in mind that Citizens United wasn't even "for" some particular candidate. It was against a particular candidate and wanted to show its movie at a point in time when it wasn't even clear who the candidate's opponents would be. Assuming you imposed the "equality of air time" doctrine in this situation, who's air time would the movie come out of, exactly?
It's easy to just claim the system is broken; figuring out how to fix it sanely is much harder.
(And for the record, I agree that the current campaign lengths and costs in the US are ridiculous. What I don't see is how to make them less so without imposing some pretty totalitarian speech controls, which would immediately get coopted by those in power to completely shut down anything resembling third party candidates.)
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This was apparently not clear: in all those questions the "I" posting the video is not the person running. That's the context of the Citizens United decision.
Then you are more than welcome to blow as much money as you'd like on your favourite candidate! And since it's on Youtube, noone is "forced" to watch your video, they can always switch to something else. However, TV and cable channels (as well as press) should have strict equality rules when it comes to candidates for a given period until the elections. What good will your ten million dollars video do on CNN when the…
Why do you think that there is a difference here?
> But if countries with civil law can manage to make that work when it comes to respecting the spirit of the law
For what it's worth, said countries typically have nothing comparable to the constitutional free speech protections the US has, and have no problem with the government imposing all sorts of speech limits that would get laughed out of court in the US.
And as mentioned elsewhere in this thread, speech that is not "for" any particular candidate but "against" a particular candidate is not trivial to apportion in an "equal time" regime.
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Longest? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DART_Light_Rail -> System Length 93 mi (150 km) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trams_in_Melbourne -> System Length 160 miles (250 kilometres) However, your point that the decentralization plays a difference is very valid. The Melbourne network is a dense grid which serves a much more compact area whereas the Dallas system consists of a small number of lines that stretch very far…
Tramways such as Melbourne's are a bit different in definition [0]. 0 - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_rail vs https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tram
Edit: another example of Wikipedia not being able to agree with itself on a distinction -- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_rail_in_North_America lists the Toronto streetcar system as "the busiest LRT system in North America" even though it's definitely a traditional tram system with mostly street-running. Below it calls it a light rail ('in the case of Toronto, actually streetcar').
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If you are an independent and highly skilled professional who knows the business, you can definitely work remotely. Good for you! But that's a far cry from, "Why do information workers need company offices at all, ever?"
For me, the need for commuting is such a great nuisance that I worked the hardest I can to get rid of it. I agree that it might be a transitional phase, or something necessary to acquire the skills needed, but it needs to be rid of at the first sight of an opportunity.
For what it's worth, I have zero tolerance for long commutes, and always lived close to my jobs. It took considerable expense, and relied on life situation flexibility I no longer have, but my patience for driving is maybe ten minutes.
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>If people don't bang on about it, nothing will ever change ... It's not going to change anyway. The car haters on HN are in the minority of Americans.
I suspect that part of the reason cities like San Francisco, New York, and Vancouver are so ludicrously expensive in North America are because there are far more people that hate cars than there are cities which are amenable to their preferences. So, if a minority, then a very under-served one. Those cities are going to stay expensive unless the supply of walkable cities increases.
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>Making yourself heard on television commonly takes the form of TV advertising, which is all about money, unfortunately. Like I answered in your other post, equality of air time for each candidate. I know, you've had twenty something candidates, and it would be hard to make that work. Tough luck, that's the price to pay for a fairer election. I don't envy your ridiculous two year long campaigns, but at least you'd ge…
> equality of air time for each candidate Where "air time" means "time across all possible cable channels", right? And presumably equality of "youtube time" too? How do you even measure this? Seriously, we're way past there being 5 broadcast TV networks and nothing else where you could try enforcing some sort of mandate. Keep in mind that Citizens United wasn't even "for" some particular candidate. It was against a p…
YouTube time is different because there's not one single place controlling your entire feed, noone dictating what you are going to watch. You can decide on your own to watch ten hours of your favourite candidate and ignore every other, because you made that choice and noone imposed it on you.
The Citizens United question is a bit tricky indeed, but two things:
- Ultimately, it is the TV channel's responsibility to have aired such a video, and as such should match any time campaigning for a candidate with others. But, like you said, it was more an attack then anything else. Which brings us to our second point:
- Straight up outlaw such clips that are an attack on a candidate. It serves no purpose other than to drive down the level, it makes the campaign absolutely worthless and is a danger to democracy. It is the most basic level, the dark depth of political life. It kills every debate, destroys every effort made to educate people, because ultimately attacks are cheap, entertaining and efficient. It truly makes society worse as a whole, and people stupid. Yes, that's maybe an attack on free speech. I believe keeping a higher level of debate is a tad more important than being able to take a dump on someone you don't like on live TV.
Let me give you examples of where I live, France, to alleviate some of your fears.
We have a council that ensures what is aired is either nonpartisan, or matched, with the ability to shut down entire TV programs if needed. It has not been done in decades, and most of it ends up being fines. The shitstorm that would happen if they did cancel an show would be quite the sight. Attacks are forbidden. Total campaign funds are capped. Campaign clips are of fixed length, are aired something like four times a day, randomly ordered, shown for all candidates. Public TV has an obligation to give financial and material aid for smaller candidates to ensure they can have a clip. You cannot start officially campaigning on TV and in the press before a set date. You could say we have some rather intensive speech control.
This previous election has seen the two traditional parties (LR & PS) failing miserably. The socialist party, one of the most important parties in the country and previous president's party ended up with a pitiful 6.5% of votes. REM, the new president's movement was born out of nowhere barely a year before the elections. FI managed to crystallize the leftist electorate and reach 19%, barely a percent below the traditional conservative candidate. The FN, as much as I despise them for everything they stand for, is not a traditional party. We have communist candidates. Yes, multiple, because the only thing harder than herding cats is getting communists to agree. We have one that intends to go to Mars. Every election, we have a dozen candidates. Every election, debates are held. They're even rather polite, usually. This year, Fillon has been bogged down in embezzlement affairs, Le Pen too. Aside from one deliciously satisfying bash during one debate, an which lasted 3 minutes over a 3 hour long debate, things stayed civil.
And that's just an example of how we do it here, and I definitely not believe it's perfect. Our political system has issues. Plenty of them. Look at other countries, look at how it's done. Improve on it, and take the best from each.
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> equality of air time for each candidate Where "air time" means "time across all possible cable channels", right? And presumably equality of "youtube time" too? How do you even measure this? Seriously, we're way past there being 5 broadcast TV networks and nothing else where you could try enforcing some sort of mandate. Keep in mind that Citizens United wasn't even "for" some particular candidate. It was against a p…
Air time means "you wanna talk about candidate X on your channel? Sure, you're just going to match every single minute you spoke about him with every other candidate.". That usually excludes legal trouble because that doesn't exactly count as campaigning for said candidate. I feel like you are seeing it as having an allotted amount of time for each candidate, where every single minute is counted and taken out of thei…
That's true with cable too.
> Straight up outlaw such clips that are an attack on a candidate.
What constitutes an attack? Is a clip pointing out that a candidate is wrong on some matter of fact an attack on that candidate? What about a matter of almost-fact (i.e. one where disagreements exist but the preponderance of the evidence is considered to be on a certain side)? This is a serious question; people disagree vehemently on this very matter. As a concrete example, can one point out that a candidate's policies will likely lead to increased atmospheric CO_2 levels? Can one point out that a candidate has not been trustworthy in the past?
I think pointing out potential problems with candidates is _critical_ to democracy functioning. The _tone_ is a separate matter, of course, and I agree that the tone it's often done in is not good for democracy.
I would really like to understand what you consider an "attack" vs "not an attack" and how those definitions match up with how you'd have to define them sanely for an equal-time regime.
> Let me give you examples of where I live, France, to alleviate some of your fears.
France is pretty bad on freedom-of-speech issues, I know; not just in this area. That doesn't mean the US should follow France's lead down that lane.
> We have a council that ensures what is aired is either nonpartisan
Really? And they do this while ignoring their own political biases, including unconscious ones? I am dubious, but it's possible if there is enough of a tradition of doing so that people would be embarrassed to show even implicit partisanship in this situation.
> Attacks are forbidden
"Attacks" defined how?
> Campaign clips are of fixed length
Defined how? Are Michael Moore movies considered "campaign clips"? Should they be in the US?
Again, I agree that the way US elections work is far from optimal. I've just had a hard time finding things to change that would not cause more harm than good, including starting down some seriously slippery slopes to things we have consciously moved away from in the past (e.g. government control over the content of what can be aired on TV).