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Qualcomm, Microsoft Announce Snapdragon 835 PCs with Gigabit LTE

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Re: Qualcomm, Microsoft Announce Snapdragon 835 PCs with Gigabit LTE

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Post by 52-6F-62 »

Eridrus wrote: post #110
52-6F-62 wrote: post #93

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For most users, I would say yes. Of course they want it to be as seamless and simple as possible to connect to information. Tethering is hardly a second thought for most people who are comfortable with the technology, but you're forgetting most of the rest of the world here, as well as a lot of people outside the tech realm. Never mind people who currently live outside of high-speed wired internet zones -- with cell…

There's no downside to having this as an option, I just wonder if this feature will drive any consumer demand.

Consider how annoyed people have been at the Apple dongle situation. Sure they'll grunt through it but they want something better and less complicated. To the HN crowd, a phone tied to a computer to access all of the world's information is a large bit of genius (I used to dream about it when I was a kid... before everybody had cellphones), but to most users its just another thing dangling about that they have to connect and disconnect and remember to shut off tether mode and so on and so on.

If its in one package, and its as easy as hitting "connect", I think it will sell. That and consider cottage-goers who dislike disconnecting, or people who live outside of highspeed zones. Or even the connectivity-paranoid (script kiddies aren't so likely to start hijacking cellular connections as they are to bite you through an insecure coffeshop wifi). Doctors Without Borders might benefit, and other like travelling charity groups. I'm just spitballing, but I can see cases.

Though, a lot of my speculation depends on price points.

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Post by JustSomeNobody »

hoschicz wrote: post #108
JustSomeNobody wrote: post #92

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Notice they said, email and twitter. Both are things that don't use much data. They already know that AT&T and Verizon will choke the crap out of this with their false limitations.

Twitter uses a lot of data these days with autoplaying GIFs and videos...

I admit I haven't measure it recently, but I thought the new twitter mobile website was supposed to be much lighter.

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Post by khedoros1 »

wolfgke wrote: post #99
leggomylibro wrote: post #97

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It does, and it's called ChromeOS.

So you claim ChromeOS is a window manager?

ChromeOS is an OS. It includes a window manager "Ash". Saying ChromeOS to imply its own native window manager (rather than a generic Linux one running in a chroot on ChromOS) makes sense in context. Or at least enough sense that your question seems more mocking than clarifying.

Re: Qualcomm, Microsoft Announce Snapdragon 835 PCs with Gigabit LTE

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Post by tostitos1979 »

kevin_b_er wrote: post #11

> With a Snapdragon inside your PC, you'll no longer need Wi-Fi to fetch your latest e-mail and catch up on Twitter. Instead, you'll be able to get online wherever there's cellular connectivity. I'm not buying the optimism, especially not in the US. The cellular data is still horribly limited. In Canada it is even worse. The "unlimited" plan is surging back, but it has automatic throttling at varying points. Oh and s…

Who gives you unlimited data in Canada? I checked with Fido and Freedom pop and they both said they don't offer it.

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Post by drzaiusapelord »

dmitrygr wrote: post #123
hermitdev wrote: post #120

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No it doesn't. Automatic updates will not occur over metered connections. Manually initiated, sure. Unsure about telemetry.

source: seen it happen with my own two eyes

You're right. It limits, but not stops, updates on metered connections. Say you have a device that is on metered only for weeks or months, Windows will rightfully start downloading updates as not having these updates is a security risk. I think MS has made a lot of controversial decisions with Windows 10 but I don't believe consumers should have the ability to dismiss security updates out of convenience. The risk to themselves and the larger internet is far too great.

Also, putting aside the politics of telemetry data, the actual file is a compressed XML file. I don't know the real size off hand, but its just compressed text. Its not going to affect your metered connections quota. A 20kb transfer every month shouldn't bankrupt your connection.

Not to mention, its trivial to disable telemetry if you have basic technical chops. Windows updates too. Or don't use Windows if your use case is so far from the norm. Its designed for the lowest common denominator, not for techies.

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Post by problems »

MichaelGG wrote: post #122
problems wrote: post #118

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I believe Java and C# enforce specific byte orders to get around this issue, so I doubt you'll see a problem there unless interacting with C++ libraries.

Not if you're converting bytes into integers, for instance. E.g. https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.bitconverter... - it's arch specific.

Interesting, similar functions in the Java world are always big endian:

http://docs.oracle.com/javase/6/docs/api/java/math/BigIntege...

Seems like a rather poor decision on Microsoft's part. Fortunately rather few things interact with data this way anyways, most serialization formats are text based or include endian information.

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Post by r00fus »

drzaiusapelord wrote: post #135
dmitrygr wrote: post #123

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source: seen it happen with my own two eyes

You're right. It limits, but not stops, updates on metered connections. Say you have a device that is on metered only for weeks or months, Windows will rightfully start downloading updates as not having these updates is a security risk. I think MS has made a lot of controversial decisions with Windows 10 but I don't believe consumers should have the ability to dismiss security updates out of convenience. The risk to…

Microsoft's problem is that they have conflated "security" updates and non-security and even OS version upgrades.

If my dog keeps crapping in my house I'm not going to let him back in without being housebroken.

LTE-equipped laptops have existed in the past. How is this offering going to be substantially better?

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Post by mixedCase »

drzaiusapelord wrote: post #135
dmitrygr wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

source: seen it happen with my own two eyes

You're right. It limits, but not stops, updates on metered connections. Say you have a device that is on metered only for weeks or months, Windows will rightfully start downloading updates as not having these updates is a security risk. I think MS has made a lot of controversial decisions with Windows 10 but I don't believe consumers should have the ability to dismiss security updates out of convenience. The risk to…

> as not having these updates is a security risk

We couldm say that; but Microsoft's definition of what critical security updates are is very different to most people's.

Re: Qualcomm, Microsoft Announce Snapdragon 835 PCs with Gigabit LTE

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Post by swiley »

This is actually a very bad thing.

Qualcomm is decidedly against open source and open firmware, this will bring the closed disposable worthless logic board with the unmodifiable OS from your phone and into your laptop.

Microsoft likes it of course because it means more control for them.

TL;DR: Intel is not being abandoned because it's too closed, it's being abandoned because it's too open!

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