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Qualcomm, Microsoft Announce Snapdragon 835 PCs with Gigabit LTE

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Re: Qualcomm, Microsoft Announce Snapdragon 835 PCs with Gigabit LTE

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Post by dmarlow »

mtgx wrote: post #21
kevin_b_er wrote: post #11

> With a Snapdragon inside your PC, you'll no longer need Wi-Fi to fetch your latest e-mail and catch up on Twitter. Instead, you'll be able to get online wherever there's cellular connectivity. I'm not buying the optimism, especially not in the US. The cellular data is still horribly limited. In Canada it is even worse. The "unlimited" plan is surging back, but it has automatic throttling at varying points. Oh and s…

Yeah, I'm not really buying the LTE being the "killer feature" thing either. I hope Qualcomm is not betting the farm on that. Its ARM processors will have to stand on their own feet in regards to performance alone. Few people buy their laptops based on LTE support, and although I do believe it could become more popular in the future, I don't think it will have a fast pick-up, with or without Qualcomm's promotion of L…

I'm hoping it'll help modernize the enterprise/commercial side of things. If you've ever had to deal with these types of devices, you'd realize they're very antiquated. http://www.micronet-inc.com/products/product-techspecs.aspx?...

Re: Qualcomm, Microsoft Announce Snapdragon 835 PCs with Gigabit LTE

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Post by JustSomeNobody »

kevin_b_er wrote: post #11

> With a Snapdragon inside your PC, you'll no longer need Wi-Fi to fetch your latest e-mail and catch up on Twitter. Instead, you'll be able to get online wherever there's cellular connectivity. I'm not buying the optimism, especially not in the US. The cellular data is still horribly limited. In Canada it is even worse. The "unlimited" plan is surging back, but it has automatic throttling at varying points. Oh and s…

Notice they said, email and twitter. Both are things that don't use much data. They already know that AT&T and Verizon will choke the crap out of this with their false limitations.

Re: Qualcomm, Microsoft Announce Snapdragon 835 PCs with Gigabit LTE

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Post by 52-6F-62 »

Eridrus wrote: post #44
52-6F-62 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I definitely think it will be popular in the future. It depends on who wins the race for ubiquitous network coverage, though. Google, Facebook, and SpaceX have all moved to initiate programs to install global high speed wifi access. This is probably the last edge chance for cellular network companies in the long term. If wifi hits first, with projects like Google home offering free calling as well as other ip-phone s…

Is tethering too complicated for most people? Simpler tethering seems like it would be more helpful here than a new CPU architecture that also requires people to have a second SIM they need to get on their plan.

For most users, I would say yes. Of course they want it to be as seamless and simple as possible to connect to information.

Tethering is hardly a second thought for most people who are comfortable with the technology, but you're forgetting most of the rest of the world here, as well as a lot of people outside the tech realm. Never mind people who currently live outside of high-speed wired internet zones -- with cell coverage reaching further than wired zones lately I'd consider the option a boon to connectivity.

I fail to see the real downside to the public. Maybe you can elucidate further.

Re: Qualcomm, Microsoft Announce Snapdragon 835 PCs with Gigabit LTE

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Post by 52-6F-62 »

aruggirello wrote: post #88
52-6F-62 wrote: post #27

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I definitely think it will be popular in the future. It depends on who wins the race for ubiquitous network coverage, though. Google, Facebook, and SpaceX have all moved to initiate programs to install global high speed wifi access. This is probably the last edge chance for cellular network companies in the long term. If wifi hits first, with projects like Google home offering free calling as well as other ip-phone s…

> Otherwise I wouldn't mind one to turn into a highly portable Linux machine -- stars in my eyes, and all that. Assuming you'll be able to boot Linux on such a device, that might still require exploiting some yet-to-be-found bugs to root it, and/or voiding its warranty. BTW good luck with GPU drivers, multitouch, exotic sensors...

I thought that was part of the fun

Re: Qualcomm, Microsoft Announce Snapdragon 835 PCs with Gigabit LTE

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Post by pm215 »

disconnected wrote: post #28
mtgx wrote: post #16

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We don't know yet. Overhead could be something like 5% or 25%. We'll see when the reviews come. For what it's worth, it seems to run x86 apps just fine in Microsoft's own demo (keep in mind it's still a mobile ARM processor, so performance will be similar to Atom/Celeron/Pentium, rather than Core i5, etc). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_GlGglbu1U

I don't trust product demos, movie trailers nor press releases, so I'll reserve my enthusiasm until someone on the "real world" has had the chance to get their hands on this. What I know is this: ARM emulation via QEMU on my core i7 was pretty slow last I tried it. Not unusably slow, but still slow. And I have tons of ram and a fat CPU. These laptops, especially if they are made on the cheap side, won't have tons of…

"faster than QEMU" isn't a particularly high bar to clear, though. In particular if you're only emulating a single process rather than a full guest OS then you can reduce the overhead quite a bit. Plus if you design something from the start for the single-process emulation case, and only need to worry about one guest and one host architecture, and focus on emulation performance as a key goal, you can likely do better than QEMU without too much trouble.

Re: Qualcomm, Microsoft Announce Snapdragon 835 PCs with Gigabit LTE

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Post by kbenson »

SyneRyder wrote: post #82
davrosthedalek wrote: post #59

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a) only 32bit b) At what speed though? x86 emulation isn't trivial, and arm seems to be sufficiently different in architecture to incur a large translation overhead.

Microsoft has had videos out for a while of their x86 emulation. They have a demo of loading Photoshop CC, and it looks close to native speed, though I notice a bit of window refresh. Looks usable, but I'd like to see more demos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_GlGglbu1U&t=80s

Not only that, but if you are making UWP packages (for the windows store? I'm not sure if they are standalone as well), you can ship both x86 and ARM binaries together. I'm probably butchering the details, but the presentation and accompanying HN discussion was interesting[1]. The video is pretty cool, as they demo real running x86 and ARM binaries on the same system, and explain some seriously cool stuff WRT x86 emulation.

1: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14318406

Re: Qualcomm, Microsoft Announce Snapdragon 835 PCs with Gigabit LTE

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Post by leggomylibro »

wolfgke wrote: post #90
leggomylibro wrote: post #76

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Well...yes, sometimes. You could run a WM in a chrome tab, but I prefer breaking out individual programs. Like, I can have KiCAD running in one tab, with the datasheets for parts I'm using in nearby tabs. Or I can just break an IDE out into its own window. It's a small screen, so having the whole browser window dedicated to the program is nice, and you can even use fullscreen mode and navigate with ctrl+[shift+]tab.…

> Like, I can have KiCAD running in one tab, with the datasheets for parts I'm using in nearby tabs. To me this rather sounds like one should use another window manager than the default one that usual GNU/Linux distributions install if one has a small screen. I'm no GNU/Linux wizard, but I somehow expect that such a window manager already exists.

It does, and it's called ChromeOS.

Re: Qualcomm, Microsoft Announce Snapdragon 835 PCs with Gigabit LTE

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Post by wolfgke »

leggomylibro wrote: post #97
wolfgke wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Like, I can have KiCAD running in one tab, with the datasheets for parts I'm using in nearby tabs. To me this rather sounds like one should use another window manager than the default one that usual GNU/Linux distributions install if one has a small screen. I'm no GNU/Linux wizard, but I somehow expect that such a window manager already exists.

It does, and it's called ChromeOS.

So you claim ChromeOS is a window manager?

Re: Qualcomm, Microsoft Announce Snapdragon 835 PCs with Gigabit LTE

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Post by shams93 »

paulftw wrote: post #29
al2o3cr wrote: post #18

Asus, HP, and Lenovo are all planning to introduce Snapdragon Mobile PC systems at some unspecified time in the future, for some unspecified price. In other news, today at the Vaporware Expo every computer manufacturer announced plans to release a new device featuring unspecified hardware at some unspecified time in the future for an unspecified price.

Any threats to Intel's (almost?) monopoly on laptops/desktops is a good thing.

This actually seems to be more aimed at hurting the ipad for business than hurting intel. You can write your business apps in .Net and roll them out to users who are currently using ios and save pain and cost from using tools like Xamarin to try to use your .Net team to write ios apps with c#.
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