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Facebook is an attack on the open web

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Re: Facebook is an attack on the open web

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Post by awinter-py »

I'm in a small minority of people who want to pay money to get on FB and can't.

I've been trying for months to advertise on there but there's no such thing as a business-only FB acct, you need an organic personal account. And some combination of my activity (not friending anyone, not using FB for anything, using an incognito tab, my IP address? I don't know) looks like trouble to the powers that be so my account keeps getting shut off.

I hate them just as much as these other guys but for 2x the reasons.

Re: Facebook is an attack on the open web

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Post by steveadoo »

Tossrock wrote: post #19

I deactivated my Facebook account several months ago, and it's been about 90% great, 10% frustrating. It's great for all the obvious reasons (less timesuck, less compulsion to endlessly scroll your life away, no notification interruptions). The frustrations are real, though. Primarily it's around events and photos. There are some communities I participate in that regularly organize events through Facebook, and now I…

Can't you just have Facebook and only use it for the events/photos? I've got a Facebook but never use it for posting/looking at other people's posts. Every now and then I'll get an invitation to an event which is really all I use it for.

Re: Facebook is an attack on the open web

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Post by supernumerary »

tobyjsullivan wrote: post #31
Tossrock wrote: post #19

I deactivated my Facebook account several months ago, and it's been about 90% great, 10% frustrating. It's great for all the obvious reasons (less timesuck, less compulsion to endlessly scroll your life away, no notification interruptions). The frustrations are real, though. Primarily it's around events and photos. There are some communities I participate in that regularly organize events through Facebook, and now I…

I've enjoyed roughly the same experience but without the downsides. As far as events go, the neckbeard in me hasn't actually minded. I still get invited to "high quality" events (things my real-life friends are going to) and haven't really missed the lower quality events. Photos I just conveniently had solved by having all my photos on Google Photos anyways (I stopped trusting offline storage long ago). I think my Fa…

Suggest adding FB to your hosts file:

https://gist.github.com/thomasbilk/1506210/2d20f47bbcca75b2f...

No more accidental or ambiguous re-activation...

Re: Facebook is an attack on the open web

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Post by exergy »

joshbaptiste wrote: post #30

ah a "Why FB is evil" article, here come the slew of HN'ers to proclaim their deletion of FB years ago. I myself have no issues with the social network, I keep up with friends, family and it isn't a time suck for me anymore than HN.

And contrarians who revel in their "I'm not snobbish like you all" Regular Joe aura. At least the ones who talk about why they quit stick to their own experiences rather than belittling others who still find value in it.

Re: Facebook is an attack on the open web

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Post by grenoire »

gthtjtkt wrote: post #50
Tossrock wrote: post #19

I deactivated my Facebook account several months ago, and it's been about 90% great, 10% frustrating. It's great for all the obvious reasons (less timesuck, less compulsion to endlessly scroll your life away, no notification interruptions). The frustrations are real, though. Primarily it's around events and photos. There are some communities I participate in that regularly organize events through Facebook, and now I…

Facebook was great in the early years. No ads, no political spam, no viral garbage, no pictures of what your friend ate for dinner, no psychologically manipulative algorithms. Just people talking to their friends and posting pictures of themselves hanging out. If someone made a new social network like that, I'd sign up today.

You cannot exactly enforce the nice-ities though. You would have to structure the community around using your service like that, but that still can be broken down.

Manipulative algorithms can be taken out though, I suppose.

Re: Facebook is an attack on the open web

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Post by aeorgnoieang »

gthtjtkt wrote: post #50
Tossrock wrote: post #19

I deactivated my Facebook account several months ago, and it's been about 90% great, 10% frustrating. It's great for all the obvious reasons (less timesuck, less compulsion to endlessly scroll your life away, no notification interruptions). The frustrations are real, though. Primarily it's around events and photos. There are some communities I participate in that regularly organize events through Facebook, and now I…

Facebook was great in the early years. No ads, no political spam, no viral garbage, no pictures of what your friend ate for dinner, no psychologically manipulative algorithms. Just people talking to their friends and posting pictures of themselves hanging out. If someone made a new social network like that, I'd sign up today.

Excluding the "ads", how would you prevent users from posting "political spam", "viral garbage", and "pictures of what your friend ate for dinner"?

Re: Facebook is an attack on the open web

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Post by rocky1138 »

namuol wrote: post #41

> I’m sorry no matter how good your idea is fuck you I won’t help you and Facebook kill the open web. This is not how you win hearts and minds.

I like his/her attitude, to be honest. It's jarring, which is what most people need to snap them into thinking for themselves.

Re: Facebook is an attack on the open web

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Post by darksaints »

By altering the title, you've taken something deliberately strong and watered it down. This isn't a situation where a different title better conveys the authors intent or content...this is explicitly an opinionated essay expressing exactly what the title summarizes. It is unnecessary censorship. Sure it is a word that commonly is considered vulgar, but it is also a word that has significant visceral meaning. HN shouldn't censor words just because they're strong enough to be offensive.

Re: Facebook is an attack on the open web

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Post by 5ilv3r »

ArchReaper wrote: post #32

I'm no Facebook fanboy but this article feels like a "why does my square peg not fit into their round hole" type of complaint. Facebook is a social network, not a public blogging platform. Here is my interpretation of the complaints. Please point out what I am missing. >It's impractical... Square peg round hole. >It's supporting their downgrading and killing the web... Facebook posts being inherently (mostly) simple…

Yes, you are. The argument is that facebook has become something that causes the rest of the web to be worse off. Less open, more bloated, more central.
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