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Qualcomm, Microsoft Announce Snapdragon 835 PCs with Gigabit LTE

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Re: Qualcomm, Microsoft Announce Snapdragon 835 PCs with Gigabit LTE

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Asus, HP, and Lenovo are all planning to introduce Snapdragon Mobile PC systems at some unspecified time in the future, for some unspecified price. In other news, today at the Vaporware Expo every computer manufacturer announced plans to release a new device featuring unspecified hardware at some unspecified time in the future for an unspecified price.

They've done live demos of this on actual hardware, just hardware too ugly to ship.

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I definitely think it will be popular in the future. It depends on who wins the race for ubiquitous network coverage, though. Google, Facebook, and SpaceX have all moved to initiate programs to install global high speed wifi access. This is probably the last edge chance for cellular network companies in the long term. If wifi hits first, with projects like Google home offering free calling as well as other ip-phone s…

Is tethering too complicated for most people? Simpler tethering seems like it would be more helpful here than a new CPU architecture that also requires people to have a second SIM they need to get on their plan.

No, it's just too clunky in this day of instant gratification/”almost every application expects network access”/”computer is a communication tool not (only) an information-processing device”.

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post #67

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Isn't AMD emulating x86 over RISC anyway?

as is Intel, I don't think there has been a true x86 CPU in a while

I did hear this from my Prof in our university too, where can I find information about this?

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I look forward to learning more about this product. I love that we're moving non-x86 into mainstream consumer products like this (and not limited to low-end chromebooks, e.g.). ARM SoCs lack the backward compatible x86 BIOS-style bootstrap. This is great because it's kinda crazy to think about booting into stuff like MBR, real mode, etc in 2017. But this is bad because without good standards it's really tricky to hav…

This is lunacy. It will break compatibility with nearly all software out there. From games to productivity apps. Like the stuff I actually use a PC for.

As somebody that used a DEC Alpha running Windows NT and x86 applications thanks to FX!32 code translation back in the late 1990s, I think you're underestimating the usability of the code translation solution demoed by Microsoft et al. Sure, it may be Win32-only (at least for now) but if and when these platforms take off more UWP (sp?) applications will be released to take advantage of native performance. This is likely a very viable solution.

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Yeah, that's my biggest fear for this computer. I would snap up two or three in a heartbeat if I could put my favorite Linux distro on it. My little 10" ARM chromebook has already left my more powerful laptop gathering dust. It seems like 'just a browser' at first glance, but it becomes so much more when you add a chroot which can launch X sessions into Chrome tabs. These Microsoft ARM machines are encouraging, since…

> My little 10" ARM chromebook has already left my more powerful laptop gathering dust. It seems like 'just a browser' at first glance, but it becomes so much more when you add a chroot which can launch X sessions into Chrome tabs. So you claim running X sessions in Chrome tabs is better than running X directly?

Well...yes, sometimes.

You could run a WM in a chrome tab, but I prefer breaking out individual programs. Like, I can have KiCAD running in one tab, with the datasheets for parts I'm using in nearby tabs. Or I can just break an IDE out into its own window. It's a small screen, so having the whole browser window dedicated to the program is nice, and you can even use fullscreen mode and navigate with ctrl+[shift+]tab.

ChromeOS has a nice UI. Certainly much nicer than XFCE running in a browser tab.

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post #48

I look forward to learning more about this product. I love that we're moving non-x86 into mainstream consumer products like this (and not limited to low-end chromebooks, e.g.). ARM SoCs lack the backward compatible x86 BIOS-style bootstrap. This is great because it's kinda crazy to think about booting into stuff like MBR, real mode, etc in 2017. But this is bad because without good standards it's really tricky to hav…

This is lunacy. It will break compatibility with nearly all software out there. From games to productivity apps. Like the stuff I actually use a PC for.

Productivity apps are almost never developed in assembly language. They are developed in some high level language, so for each of such language, assuming the Windows 10 APIs are the same (which they WILL be, no need to change them):

- Java

Java applications will not require any recompilations, they will run immediately because they run on a JVM

- C#/VB/F#

Those applications still will run right away because they run in the .NET CLR virtual machine.

- C++, C

These applications, considering they are already using the Windows APIs, should recompile with few changes.

Games, nowadays, are also developed using frameworks. They mostly depend on the GPU nowadays, and the GPU was never x86 architecture either, so no big change there.

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My first impression was "Oh great. The only thing we'll ever see from this is a bunch of luxurious overpriced Surface-branded hardware." At least if they're sharing the spec with other manufacturers, we'll possibly get some reasonably priced hardware. Myself, I'm crossing my fingers for some Raspberry Pi-class machines that'll work with this.

It's publicly leaked and runs on any UEFI+ACPI ARM64 hardware.

that just made my day!

wondering what hacks are required to boot and run windows server on a phone.

Re: Qualcomm, Microsoft Announce Snapdragon 835 PCs with Gigabit LTE

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I'd love to buy a Windows PC with ARM, I hope this becomes true.

The surface with ARM wasn't really that good I read. I think it was the lack of ARM software.

I hope MS has learned from it's misstakes this time, I'm sure they did.
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