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Qualcomm, Microsoft Announce Snapdragon 835 PCs with Gigabit LTE

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Re: Qualcomm, Microsoft Announce Snapdragon 835 PCs with Gigabit LTE

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disconnected wrote: post #28
mtgx wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We don't know yet. Overhead could be something like 5% or 25%. We'll see when the reviews come. For what it's worth, it seems to run x86 apps just fine in Microsoft's own demo (keep in mind it's still a mobile ARM processor, so performance will be similar to Atom/Celeron/Pentium, rather than Core i5, etc). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_GlGglbu1U

I don't trust product demos, movie trailers nor press releases, so I'll reserve my enthusiasm until someone on the "real world" has had the chance to get their hands on this. What I know is this: ARM emulation via QEMU on my core i7 was pretty slow last I tried it. Not unusably slow, but still slow. And I have tons of ram and a fat CPU. These laptops, especially if they are made on the cheap side, won't have tons of…

https://www.betaarchive.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=37172... ARM64 emulation in Qemu is very slow anyway...

Re: Qualcomm, Microsoft Announce Snapdragon 835 PCs with Gigabit LTE

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Post by my123 »

johnhattan wrote: post #23
al2o3cr wrote: post #18

Asus, HP, and Lenovo are all planning to introduce Snapdragon Mobile PC systems at some unspecified time in the future, for some unspecified price. In other news, today at the Vaporware Expo every computer manufacturer announced plans to release a new device featuring unspecified hardware at some unspecified time in the future for an unspecified price.

My first impression was "Oh great. The only thing we'll ever see from this is a bunch of luxurious overpriced Surface-branded hardware." At least if they're sharing the spec with other manufacturers, we'll possibly get some reasonably priced hardware. Myself, I'm crossing my fingers for some Raspberry Pi-class machines that'll work with this.

It's publicly leaked and runs on any UEFI+ACPI ARM64 hardware.

Re: Qualcomm, Microsoft Announce Snapdragon 835 PCs with Gigabit LTE

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Post by leggomylibro »

wyldfire wrote: post #26

I look forward to learning more about this product. I love that we're moving non-x86 into mainstream consumer products like this (and not limited to low-end chromebooks, e.g.). ARM SoCs lack the backward compatible x86 BIOS-style bootstrap. This is great because it's kinda crazy to think about booting into stuff like MBR, real mode, etc in 2017. But this is bad because without good standards it's really tricky to hav…

Yeah, that's my biggest fear for this computer. I would snap up two or three in a heartbeat if I could put my favorite Linux distro on it.

My little 10" ARM chromebook has already left my more powerful laptop gathering dust. It seems like 'just a browser' at first glance, but it becomes so much more when you add a chroot which can launch X sessions into Chrome tabs. These Microsoft ARM machines are encouraging, since they should bring new entries into the ultraportable market, but I think I'll hold off until it's clear that we'll have options with regards to the software.

Re: Qualcomm, Microsoft Announce Snapdragon 835 PCs with Gigabit LTE

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Post by krona »

walterbell wrote: post #10

> the new operating system will include x86 emulation, giving it the ability to run 32-bit Windows desktop applications unmodified Is this emulation done with a combination of hardware & software?

I believe this is WOW64 (used to emulate x86 on x86-64 in Windows) extended to support ARM64 targets.

Re: Qualcomm, Microsoft Announce Snapdragon 835 PCs with Gigabit LTE

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Post by phoenix3200 »

paulftw wrote: post #29
al2o3cr wrote: post #18

Asus, HP, and Lenovo are all planning to introduce Snapdragon Mobile PC systems at some unspecified time in the future, for some unspecified price. In other news, today at the Vaporware Expo every computer manufacturer announced plans to release a new device featuring unspecified hardware at some unspecified time in the future for an unspecified price.

Any threats to Intel's (almost?) monopoly on laptops/desktops is a good thing.

It really is just a threat though. These companies use the appearance of a competitor to extract cheaper pricing from their suppliers. If anyone is expecting better than Netbook performance, they're probably out of their mind.

Re: Qualcomm, Microsoft Announce Snapdragon 835 PCs with Gigabit LTE

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Post by wyldfire »

my123 wrote: post #32
johnhattan wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My first impression was "Oh great. The only thing we'll ever see from this is a bunch of luxurious overpriced Surface-branded hardware." At least if they're sharing the spec with other manufacturers, we'll possibly get some reasonably priced hardware. Myself, I'm crossing my fingers for some Raspberry Pi-class machines that'll work with this.

It's publicly leaked and runs on any UEFI+ACPI ARM64 hardware.

Can you refer us to more details?

Re: Qualcomm, Microsoft Announce Snapdragon 835 PCs with Gigabit LTE

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Post by saiya-jin »

drzaiusapelord wrote: post #22
kevin_b_er wrote: post #11

> With a Snapdragon inside your PC, you'll no longer need Wi-Fi to fetch your latest e-mail and catch up on Twitter. Instead, you'll be able to get online wherever there's cellular connectivity. I'm not buying the optimism, especially not in the US. The cellular data is still horribly limited. In Canada it is even worse. The "unlimited" plan is surging back, but it has automatic throttling at varying points. Oh and s…

To MS's credit, Win10 does have a metered connection mode that tries to save data. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/instantanswers/633571e5-... Not sure how this is worse than what Android or iPhone do. My apps are constantly chatting on the internet and I have zero visibility over it and any attempt to control it involves a lot of behind the scenes controls not obvious to the end user.

One example - I don't have any banking apps in my phone, I am not that kind of a fool, cell phone is just a very usable toy for me (browsing, chats, music, car nav etc). My PC is the only place I access it (currently on Win7 64b and no plans for change).

if M$ continues their policy of ad-based snooping OS for PCs, I will be forced into Linux (which still sucks for 90% of what I do - mostly games, then some photo edits in Lightroom and Photoshop).

M$ has no credit at all, what it gained in past few years was completely lost with Win10 decisions. Just because others are doing immoral and wrong things doesn't make it OK.

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