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Post by roywiggins »

awqrre wrote: post #136
braveo wrote: post #134

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I think the idea is to get people to "right the ship" by forcing it to lean too far to the other side, causing them to quickly pull it back to center.

thanks, that what I was trying to say.

Trump seems to think along these lines as well, though in a different direction.

"When the economy crashes, when the country goes to total hell and everything is a disaster, then you'll have a, you know, you'll have riots to go back to where we used to be when we were great."

http://video.foxnews.com/v/3179604851001/donald-trumps-2014-...

If he doesn't manage to work with the Republicans to raise the debt ceiling (Mick Mulvaney doesn't seem to care either way) then we might have a chance to see what happens when the economy crashes hard, with no deficit spending to cushion the fall.

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cxromos wrote: post #171
acqq wrote: post #132

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> The Muslims in Bosnia are moderate in nature. The real "moderates" haven't had a chance or influence. The Muslim Bosniak leader in the nineties was a known Islamist. He hasn't accidentally received the support of the Islamists abroad. The Wahhabis are there since that times (decades already): "Sharia Villages Bosnia's Islamic State Problem" (2016) http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/islamic-state-pre... Rega…

The Muslim Bosniak lader was a religious man, after decades of Communism, which prohibited the religion. This happened on all sides, and the atrocities were committed by the Christians, both sides, Catholic and Ortodox, between themselves and on Muslim population. Number of accounts in front of the International Court for War Crimes tells all bout that. Ottoman empire was in war what you call Wahhabism. They were ene…

Religion wasn't prohibited in Yugoslavia. Islamism and Sharia, sure. That guy was an Islamist.

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Post by logfromblammo »

tripzilch wrote: post #219
logfromblammo wrote: post #217

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Let's not fall into the trap of assuming that since CIA-funded scientists performing secret and unethical experiments to accomplish military-political objectives couldn't make the drugs work, that it couldn't be done above-board by clinicians who genuinely want to cure a bona fide brain defect that is utterly devastating to everyone who would ordinarily be close to the affected individuals. MK-Ultra wanted to make no…

Are you certain it's a problem with their sense of empathy not being properly attached to the limbic system? Because IMO, it seems more likely that bit works just fine even for them, but they use strong cognitive dissonance to hack around it. Also, you are taking it as a given that the problem is that a lot of high ranking power positions are taken by people with sociopathic and/or narcissist personality disorders. I…

I think if it were not a physical problem in the structure of the brain, we would not currently have a 0% cure rate using existing psychiatry.

In a philosophical sense, AUM is not an actual chemical cocktail. It is the basis for a viewpoint wherein a past enemy may become a future friend, and the normal human fear of the unknown is the barrier between them.

So you recite to yourself the Litany Against Fear from Dune and offer to your enemy the opportunity to become less alien to each other. A dose of real-life AUM takes decades, or even generations, to administer.

This is why most wars are preceded by a psychological campaign to dehumanize and alienate the designated enemy.

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Post by scaryspooky »

dragonwriter wrote: post #202
scaryspooky wrote: post #190

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And how, if we try to throw out the entire system, do you expect that to happen when it is clearly against the interest of the two major parties? That's why I said the push shouldn't be to burn down the whole system, it should be minor changes that both major parties can agree to implement. You can't shoot for the moon if you can't even get a launch pad.

> And how, if we try to throw out the entire system, do you expect that to happen when it is clearly against the interest of the two major parties? If eliminating the existing system is the goal, the way it is achieved is (as has been the case for many changes which aren't supported initially by the major parties) to first move it by, and in States which have, citizen initiative processes which supercede the preferen…

That was exactly my point. Small changes make larger impacts than asking to nuke everything.
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