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Re: NSA secretly conducted illegal searches on Americans for years

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Post by lightedman »

lmm wrote: post #30
endymi0n wrote: post #11

I think the most dangerous thing is that what Snowden predicted actually happened by now. After all the revelations, nobody is interested anymore. There's this general fatigue and powerlessness that leads to a feeling of "well, yeah, everbody knows by now... what's the news here?" - even for me as a security expert and privacy proponent. The real danger is nobody cares anymore, as this enables all further constitutio…

What do I do, as someone who cares? No, seriously. Should I throw a bit more money at the EFF? Start my own political party, or enter an existing one and try to steer it in my direction? Try to get employed by one of these organizations and then promote a better understanding of their mission internally? Move to another country where people care more (which?) Identifying the problem is a good first step, but what can…

You truly care?

Find out how to file a lawsuit, and then do so for LUDICROUS amounts of money. Make the National Debt look small (say 250 trillion might get everyone's attention.) And as it turns out, since Wikimedia is now in the clear to sue the NSA over this stuff thanks to a federal appeals court, you can walk right in on their heels and do the same. [1]

The ludicrous amount of money will suddenly wake everyone up, because everyone's going to catch wind of it via the news. You simply don't miss a lawsuit this large.

[1]: https://www.aclu.org/legal-document/wikimedia-v-nsa-4th-cir-...

Re: NSA secretly conducted illegal searches on Americans for years

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Post by acqq »

cxromos wrote: post #107
acqq wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which fact from these that I've specified you not believe? WMD in Iraq story was actually fabricated, the UK actually stole an article of a student Ibrahim al-Marashi to present it as the result of the work of their intelligence services. bin Laden actually had a Bosniak Muslim passport. There were "Bosnian mujahideen" soldiers from the foreign lands fighting there, just like now in Syria. They were actually supporte…

I don't dispute that fact. The Muslims in Bosnia are moderate in nature. It's traditional. Ottoman empire was against the type of Islam like the one that originated in Saudi Arabia. I don't dispute the fact that WMD was a stunt of the crony capitalism of Cheney and his friends. But those Muslims in Syria, 'moderate' rebels, were victims of Assad family for decades. It's bound to happen, sooner or later, for people to…

> The Muslims in Bosnia are moderate in nature.

The real "moderates" haven't had a chance or influence. The Muslim Bosniak leader in the nineties was a known Islamist. He hasn't accidentally received the support of the Islamists abroad. The Wahhabis are there since that times (decades already):

"Sharia Villages Bosnia's Islamic State Problem" (2016)

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/islamic-state-pre...

Regarding "the nature" the history of the WWII (1939-1945) is also clear, even then the inherent religious intolerance (most of the Quran) towards the others was used:

http://rarehistoricalphotos.com/muslim-waffen-ss-13th-divisi...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13th_Waffen_Mountain_Division_...

Going back to even earlier times, the Ottoman empire removed some typical obligations inherent in Islamic Sharia law only after it was defeated, only around the middle of 19th century. The "moderation" of Muslims probably started only after Austria took over the control of Bosnia in 1878. It was also surely helped by the abolition of the Caliphate by the secularist Turkish president Ataturk in 1924. But then see WWII and the Nazi influence, above. Similar to what happened in the nineties.

Regarding Syria, the "rebels" were fought against by Assad also because they were Islamists, that means, wanted the rule of the Islamic law for everything. Their fanaticism and readiness for destruction is now widely known. There's nothing in these beliefs that anybody (but the Islamists) can wish: intolerance towards women, towards other religions, and the death for insulting the "religion of pieces." But the rebeles were supported by the Arab states and the U.S. because Assad wasn't an Islamist and he was potentially closer to Shia Iran (and Sunni Arabs don't like that) and because he's too close to Russia too (and the U.S. politics doesn't like that).

Thanks to the support from the abroad, the Islamic State claims to have a functioning Caliphate since 2014, a religiously (eschatologically!) important part of it in Syria. Also see the effective destruction of the secularism in Turkey, an U.S. ally.

Same old.

Re: NSA secretly conducted illegal searches on Americans for years

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Post by nannal »

endymi0n wrote: post #70
spaceribs wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Encrypt everything. I wouldn't trust the political process to work itself out in the near future, so a technical approach may be the answer in the meantime. I've moved all my friends to Signal not because we're having sensitive conversations, but because we're voting with our actions.

I'm sorry to be the party pooper here, but... Signal was intercepted: http://heavy.com/tech/2017/03/wikileaks-vault-7-cia-bypasses... My favorite most depressing take on this by Peter Gutmann - "Crypto won't save you either" http://regmedia.co.uk/2014/05/16/0955_peter_gutmann.pdf

The thing about endpoint-to-endpoint security is that it really sucks if one of your endpoints is compromised.

The "Signal" was not broken & the encryption worked, the part that didn't was when the encryption was removed and the user presented with plain text.

Re: NSA secretly conducted illegal searches on Americans for years

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Post by braveo »

roywiggins wrote: post #66
awqrre wrote: post #55

I think that the privacy issue will get worst quicker under Trump, which is why I voted for him. I think that it is required, for it to get better, because people don't care enough yet.

When has accelerationism ever worked before?

I think the idea is to get people to "right the ship" by forcing it to lean too far to the other side, causing them to quickly pull it back to center.

Re: NSA secretly conducted illegal searches on Americans for years

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Post by braveo »

xadhominemx wrote: post #126
roywiggins wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When has accelerationism ever worked before?

I think for a lot of relatively wealthy, straight, white people there's not a lot of downside to 4 or 8 years of Trump, which led to some pretty awful accelerationism risk calculus.

Please get out of here with that crap, the loudest majority of anti-trumpers tend to be young, white people who think they speak for every other race and religion.

Re: NSA secretly conducted illegal searches on Americans for years

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Post by awqrre »

braveo wrote: post #134
roywiggins wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When has accelerationism ever worked before?

I think the idea is to get people to "right the ship" by forcing it to lean too far to the other side, causing them to quickly pull it back to center.

thanks, that what I was trying to say.

Re: NSA secretly conducted illegal searches on Americans for years

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Post by unit91 »

funnyfacts365 wrote: post #64
mirimir wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. And privacy does give you more options. But be careful not to be too obvious about it, because that makes you a target.

When everybody is a target, nobody is a target...

Tell that to Anne Frank.

Re: NSA secretly conducted illegal searches on Americans for years

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Post by mirimir »

captainmuon wrote: post #97
lmm wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do I do, as someone who cares? No, seriously. Should I throw a bit more money at the EFF? Start my own political party, or enter an existing one and try to steer it in my direction? Try to get employed by one of these organizations and then promote a better understanding of their mission internally? Move to another country where people care more (which?) Identifying the problem is a good first step, but what can…

Start a revolution. I'm only half joking. I think we can't solve these problems within the current political and economical and system. We have to found a new radical political movement. A lot of the problems we face: the crisis of representational democracy, populism, unemployment, xenophobia, the surveillance state, terrorism, ... cannot be solved individually, but I believe must be fixed simultaneously. We got to…

Decades of organizing and advocacy against the US War on Drugs got medical marijuana legalized in 29 states, and recreational marijuana legalized in eight states plus DC.

Psilocybe spp are legal nowhere in the US.

Darknet markets have made all drugs available everywhere.

Just sayin'.

Re: NSA secretly conducted illegal searches on Americans for years

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Post by ekianjo »

mirimir wrote: post #138
captainmuon wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Start a revolution. I'm only half joking. I think we can't solve these problems within the current political and economical and system. We have to found a new radical political movement. A lot of the problems we face: the crisis of representational democracy, populism, unemployment, xenophobia, the surveillance state, terrorism, ... cannot be solved individually, but I believe must be fixed simultaneously. We got to…

Decades of organizing and advocacy against the US War on Drugs got medical marijuana legalized in 29 states, and recreational marijuana legalized in eight states plus DC. Psilocybe spp are legal nowhere in the US. Darknet markets have made all drugs available everywhere. Just sayin'.

Correct me if I'm wrong but the Federal government is still trying as much as possible to continue the War on Drugs no matter what the states' laws actually say.
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