The union should do something about it.
Safety incidents at Tesla plant were higher than industry average in 2015
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Re: Safety incidents at Tesla plant were higher than industry average in 2015
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
And of course, unions have never been known to stand in the way of manufacturing innovation.
German car manufacturers are heavily unionized. It's one of the sectors with the strongest union presence. They also outcompete US manufacturers. Maybe, just maybe, unions are not to blame. Maybe, just maybe, data indicates that management may have something to do with it.
Union-management relations used to be better in the US as well. There was a case that went all the way to the Supreme Court that required that relationship to become more adversarial.
Re: Safety incidents at Tesla plant were higher than industry average in 2015
#93Shocking revelation reveals that up to half of car makers have below average safety records! Edit - I know safety is a serious matter, but it does look like this is a historical issue that Tesla takes seriously and has under control.
That would be "below _median_ safety records."
"Average" is a colloquial term referring to any measure of central tendency. The arithmetic mean is just the most common kind of average, not the only kind.
Re: Safety incidents at Tesla plant were higher than industry average in 2015
#94> Tesla did not dispute the numbers. > we now have the lowest injury rate in the industry by far This article seems to be misleading readers into thinking that Tesla has unsafe working conditions, despite being the best in the industry.
Trump said his steaks are the best, how dare anyone question that.
Re: Safety incidents at Tesla plant were higher than industry average in 2015
#95The title itself uses a basic framing technique intentionally written to fool you into a false conclusion. 1- "worse than slaughterhouses and sawmills" is more catchy than "better than X" (chose any X automaker) 2- Is the safety level of a slaughterhouses or a sawmill comparable to a car's ? They are things not in the same category, with different sophistication level and different purpose, how many times a day an av…
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Re: Safety incidents at Tesla plant were higher than industry average in 2015
#96Prior submission, link to PDF report:
Re: Safety incidents at Tesla plant were higher than industry average in 2015
#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why pick on Tesla? because they're popular? To answer your last question, because two weeks ago Tesla said the opposite: https://www.tesla.com/blog/creating-the-safest-car-factory-i...
Did they claim otherwise about their 2015 numbers anywhere? The only thing they mention is about Q1 2017. The 2017 numbers seemed to have improved drastically, something the article recognises (but the HN headline does not :S).
Read the report and you'll find out Tesla frequently has to update its numbers after the fact. So, yes Q1 2017 might look good NOW but in 3 months after injuries manifest and other claims come in (IBNR), it could turn to total shit. Tesla wants you to forget they frequently have to raise their numbers after the fact.
So, if history is any indicator, Tesla should shut its trap until it has a full year, after revisions, that show it's genuinely superior. Oh, I made myself laugh.
Re: Safety incidents at Tesla plant were higher than industry average in 2015
#98> Tesla did not dispute the numbers. > we now have the lowest injury rate in the industry by far This article seems to be misleading readers into thinking that Tesla has unsafe working conditions, despite being the best in the industry.
"We have the best rate in the industry by cherry picking the time frame" would be a much, much more accurate statement.
Re: Safety incidents at Tesla plant were higher than industry average in 2015
#99There's no defending Tesla's worker rights or saftey record. This is a company that's stood at the brink of failure for years and only survives through the blood, sweat, and tears of its employees. Maybe you believe Elon when he says that it's worth it, but there's no arguing that it's a steep price to pay. It's incredibly frustrating that no one has figured out a way to bring about the kind of transformative change…
The guy who volunteered to work double shifts to make a lot more money got tendinitis. Should Tesla have denied his request, on the off chance he would get tendinitis?
Re: Safety incidents at Tesla plant were higher than industry average in 2015
#100Prior submission, link to PDF report: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14412360
Yeah and that PDF: misleading graphics, and no standard deviation. Someone has to be above average and it intuitively makes sense that the rushing upstart would be, but how bad is it really? You can't tell without more statistics