I find it interesting that there is no mention of autopilot.
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/03/tesla-is-underselling-autopil...
That makes sense, seems they want to avoid (stem?) people not buying the model S and waiting for the cheaper model 3.
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#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not sure it's that common to have as a first car is it?
Not a new one of course, but the ones in the 2000€ price range. Those do come with problems, but my friends were eager to fix them. Still, from around dozen of my friends who did purchase a car after getting a license, around ten ended up buying BMW, VW or Mercedes. As far as I can tell the reason was availability of replacement parts.
Germany is not some mythical land of cheap fast cars. We have the same 10 year old 3 series with 80k miles on the clock for $5000 here, too. But maybe we just are also aware that the most expensive German car in the world is a cheap one.
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#83Seems that many people think that the Model 3 is the 'new' and 'best' car. They are constantly point out that if people want the best Tesla car it is still the Model S.
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#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hmm, in my case, not at all. Depends on your location and use case. In my London situation, 95% of my journeys will be within 50 miles easily. I imagine it's more of an issue in the US and similar.
In my London situation, 80% of my journeys will be within 20 miles. However, I don't have a garage or even a house. I park on the street and I would need at least 1 weekly trip to some charging station. In the 5% times I go over that distance, I will need to stop to charge when leaving and coming back ( considering I have never driven in the direction of a SuperCharger, so the only one available is in London ) So wel…
You can use the supercharger with a Model 3, you just need to pay for the electricity.
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#85I couldn't stop feeling like this page is nothing else but a promotion for "Model S" which is "superior and now" rather than the other car which is "inferior and 1 year later". Price would've been the biggest (and only) reason for "Model 3" but it's not shown on the page. Added extra details for "Model 3" is a nice trick to boost virality of the promotion aimed at its target audience -- potential Model 3 buyers. Well…
I think this is in reaction to the confusion over Model 3 being the "next version" of the Model S. People might be holding off on buying the S because they think that the 3 is better.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/845278449811939328.
When asked why he named it Model 3 in that thread, his response was: "Because I was a dumb idiot and didn't realize at the time that it would cause confusion".
This mistake seems to have stuck with him -- he made a joke about it two months later when talking about naming his boring machines: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/860378029515718660
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#86There is a misconception that the Model 3 is the most advanced Tesla model simply because it is the newest Tesla model. This was cannibalizing the sales of the Model S more than Tesla expected it to. Buyer who could afford a Model S or Model X were waiting for the Model 3 because they were under the mistaken belief that the Model 3 would offer all the newest, cutting edge technologies and self-driving capabilities.
As Musk said via Twitter, the Model S is on Gen. 4, and continues to offer the most advanced technologies.
That said, most people are waiting for the Model 3 because they can't (or do want to) afford a $100,000-$165,000 (with the self-driving packages) vehicle.
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#87I'm really interested in the topspeed. For german customers all the current gen EVs(Bolt/i3/Leaf/Ioniq) with a topspeed of 140-150km/h are to my opinion not really save to drive on the Autobahn as you don't have some speed buffer to overtake someone who's driving 120-130km/h fast enough. If Tesla manages to give the Model 3 a top-speed of 200km/h that would be a game-changer and make it a viable car for me. The Model…
As many people seem to take issue with my statement that I find it less safe if I don't have the option to overtake quickly someone who is doing 120-130km/h, i'd like to describe a situation which I notice at least once a week on the Autobahn:
I'm going 130-150 in the center lane, normal traffic flow speed. Someone in front of me in the center lane goes 130, but drives rather unsafely, serves to the left and right, brakes hard, is clearly not used to driving on the autobahn or their car (usually 90s or early 2000s small hatchbacks like a Ford Fiesta) is at the limits of what it can do. I'm behind that car and deem it unsafe to drive behind someone like that for longer periods of time, so intend to overtake. If the driver in front of me goes somewhere between 130-140km/h which is usually the case as this is the topspeed ceiling for many 45PS small hatchbacks, i HAVE to drive somewhere between 150-180km/h to quickly overtake that car without sitting too long on the left lane. The problem gets worse when the car in front has truck pulling out in front of him because the truck wants to overtake another truck, with a 10km/h difference because its uphill (a blood boiling situation for many experienced Autobahn driver).
Because the acceleration of the small hatchback is rather slow, many drivers of such cars want to conserve momentum, so they change lanes very quickly in such situations, where they suddenly are driving 120-130km/h on the left lane, where cars are shooting by at 180-220km/h which are then breaking rapidly, sometimes on the level of emergency breaking. EVs, having physics on their side, could have much greater acceleration, making that split second decision those drivers take favor the safer option in the future.
I see this too often to not care about it, and have driven one of those small hatchbacks myself when I was younger.
And well, the Autopilot is a great feature, but I'm not yet willing to bet my families life on it for longer stretches than i'm focused. Having tested it on the Autobahn, I found it hard after a while to keep the focus on the same level as I would have it driving myself.
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#88I'm not sure what was already known. This page shows both the model S and the model 3 side by side: Car length: 196.0" vs 184.4" 0-60mph Acceleration: as quick as 2.3s vs 5.6s Range: 249-335 Miles Range (EPA) vs 215+ Miles Range Supercharging: Free Unlimited Supercharging vs Pay Per Use Supercharging Passengers: Seating for 5 Adults + 2 Children vs Seating for 5 Adults Cargo: 30 cu ft Front & Rear Trunk Cargo Volume…
No driver display in model 3? This will be a big disappointment for many people.
Almost every vehicle, even budget sub-compacts, have driver displays now. The utilization of that display varies from nigh useless (odometer, oil minders, etc.) to very useful (navigational directions, at-a-glance music selection via steering wheel based controls, etc.).
Removing this display from the Model 3 seems like a design choice intended to artificially distinguish and demote the Model 3 from the Model S.
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#90I'm really interested in the topspeed. For german customers all the current gen EVs(Bolt/i3/Leaf/Ioniq) with a topspeed of 140-150km/h are to my opinion not really save to drive on the Autobahn as you don't have some speed buffer to overtake someone who's driving 120-130km/h fast enough. If Tesla manages to give the Model 3 a top-speed of 200km/h that would be a game-changer and make it a viable car for me. The Model…
As many people seem to take issue with my statement that I find it less safe if I don't have the option to overtake quickly someone who is doing 120-130km/h, i'd like to describe a situation which I notice at least once a week on the Autobahn: I'm going 130-150 in the center lane, normal traffic flow speed. Someone in front of me in the center lane goes 130, but drives rather unsafely, serves to the left and right, b…
I had to convert units to miles per hour to get a handle on the situation. For others in my boat:
You're going 80-93 mph in the center lane, and the unsafe driver impeding you is going 80 mph. In order to overtake this erratic driver, you need to move to the left lane and accelerate to 93-110 mph. The trouble is, on the Autobahn, drivers in the left lane are usually traveling at speeds of 110-137 mph, and often times even higher, up to 200 mph.
With those numbers in mind, I can entirely see your point. Early morning traffic in Dallas flows at 80-85 mph in the left lane. People don't always treat the left lane as a "fast lane" or a "passing lane." Some people cruise at 50 mph without a care for the speed of traffic around them. In order to merged into traffic in the middle lane while rapidly approaching the dangerously slow car in front of me, I sometimes have to accelerate to 90-100 mph.
I was reading a traffic study that showed that the single factor that contributes the most to traffic accidents is delta-speed. That is, the |relative speed| of the vehicle in comparison to the average speed of traffic. If traffic is flowing at 75 mph, a car traveling at 85 mph (10 delta) is less dangerous that a car traveling at 50 mph (25 delta). My anecdotal evidence confirms this. Slow drivers are often scared, timid, inexperienced, oblivious, and unpredictable. They'll change lanes without regard for the speed of anyone around them. They cause faster drivers to rapidly change lanes around them. They cause road rage incidents and reckless driving.
Anyway, I went off on a tangent, but I agree with what you're saying.