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When your job involves pulling down a hanging drill, and the worse injury a person can expect is tennis elbow, that's not too bad. Also, yes, poor people work 12-16 hours a day. It was certainly the case when I worked at a grocery store years ago, at least.
Does that mean it's acceptable?
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This doesn't answer the question.
Doesn't it? If Tesla is about as dangerous as slaughterhouses and sawmills, and Tesla is more dangerous than other automakers, then it follows that other auto makers are less dangerous than slaughterhouses and sawmills.
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Global warming. We're at or past the tipping point already, but electric cars and solar houses are definitely the direction we need to be going if we want to avoid disastrous and irreversible climate change. If-- if --Tesla can help make that happen, it'll be worth a lot of sacrifice.
What caused climate change before there were people?
Shocking revelation reveals that up to half of car makers have below average safety records! Edit - I know safety is a serious matter, but it does look like this is a historical issue that Tesla takes seriously and has under control.
That would be "below _median_ safety records."
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What, exactly, is "worth it", though? SpaceX, sure, that could be worth it. They're actually innovating. But Tesla? A goddamn car company? What the hell is so important about fancy cars for rich people that they have to screw the workers for? Sure, they call themselves an "energy company", and they have made "amazing advances in energy technology", but both Tesla's fancy solar panel AND battery "advances" are literal…
Global warming. We're at or past the tipping point already, but electric cars and solar houses are definitely the direction we need to be going if we want to avoid disastrous and irreversible climate change. If-- if --Tesla can help make that happen, it'll be worth a lot of sacrifice.
Title here is misleading. Actual title of article at LA Times is "Tesla had worse safety records than slaughterhouses and sawmills" - note "had", past tense. The records in question are from 2015, and as the article says, they are working on improvements.
Ok, we've changed the baity title to representative language from the article, in accordance with https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html . All: let's please have a more substantive discussion now. It's amazing how sensitive these threads are to hot coals in the title.
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Ok, we've changed the baity title to representative language from the article, in accordance with https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html . All: let's please have a more substantive discussion now. It's amazing how sensitive these threads are to hot coals in the title.
I don't think you would get much productive discussion for the article, which makes apples to oranges comparisons, misrepresents the report or focuses on irrelevant details. The report itself is fairly clear and easy to read and probably serves as a much better starting point for a discussion. The report is linked in the article - http://worksafe.typepad.com/files/worksafe_tesla5_24.pdf
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>Charley Briese said his job involved pulling down a hanging drill three times a minute for 12 to 16 hours a day, causing severe tendinitis 12-16 hrs a day?
Or was he making tons of money because of overtime so didn't care until it became a critical health problem?
Sounds like both the employee and the employer were falling down on the job of ensuring safe working practices. Not to mention lax regulation.
1- "worse than slaughterhouses and sawmills" is more catchy than "better than X" (chose any X automaker) 2- Is the safety level of a slaughterhouses or a sawmill comparable to a car's ? They are things not in the same category, with different sophistication level and different purpose, how many times a day an average person will enter a slaughterhouse or a sawmill ?