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1Password Travel Mode: Protect your data when crossing borders

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Re: 1Password Travel Mode: Protect your data when crossing borders

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Post by rimliu »

codeka wrote: post #197
ptaipale wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think in this case the correct technical term is "denied entry". You haven't passed immigration to the country. Deportation is the expulsion of someone who's actually in the country, past the border, and resident or visiting.

Potato/potahto, really. Good luck getting a visa next time if you've ever been "denied entry". Really, for non-Americans the best advice is just don't go in the first place. Second best advice is just comply with border security personnel. Any tricks like leaving the battery empty, bringing a burner, not bringing a laptop and getting a loaner when you get there etc, they do nothing but raise suspicions.

  > Good luck getting a visa next time if you've ever been
  > "denied entry".
I would not want neither visa nor "next time" after this. If they want their walls, let them have them.

Re: 1Password Travel Mode: Protect your data when crossing borders

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Post by wuschel »

sneak wrote: post #409
techsupporter wrote: post #381

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you[, a citizen of the United States,] ever get asked that question at the US border, please don't acquiesce to that request. Absolutely agreed. I will do this[0]. I'm a U.S. citizen with the unequivocal right to enter the country once my citizenship has been established. U.S. citizens are the only ones who can stand up to this madness--either at the border or by influencing and electing people who can change th…

I have been that guy. All of 2009-2013 or so. After being locked in secondary with no comms, food, or water for hours on hours enough times, one gives up. CBP once kicked me out of a border control point in northern Vermont, in a snowstorm, in February. I had to hitchhike simply to not freeze (my sim didn't work, so no way to call a cab, and they had sent the bus on without me, hours earlier). I've been searched, bot…

This sounds like the reprisals citizens of the totalitarian states in the Warsaw Pact had to endure. Heads up for pushing against it.

Out of curiosity, do you know if there are any people trying to challenge these rulings/treatment they receive in court?

Re: 1Password Travel Mode: Protect your data when crossing borders

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Post by tyfon »

elorant wrote: post #172
stickfigure wrote: post #114

The right solution to this problem is, when traveling, always answer "no" to "may I search your laptop?" It sucks, and it many mean a lot of hassle ranging from confiscated equipment to being held at the border to being refused entry, but this is just one of the new risks of travel. Border security only gets away with this because people say yes. Companies need to make clear to their employees (and the public) that s…

The solution to this problem is to not visit US.

This is the solution my company chose for a milestone trip we will undertake in half a year.

The plan was to go to NYC, now the plan is either Paris or Tokyo instead for the 70+ employees.

Re: 1Password Travel Mode: Protect your data when crossing borders

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Post by akvadrako »

sneak wrote: post #409
techsupporter wrote: post #381

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you[, a citizen of the United States,] ever get asked that question at the US border, please don't acquiesce to that request. Absolutely agreed. I will do this[0]. I'm a U.S. citizen with the unequivocal right to enter the country once my citizenship has been established. U.S. citizens are the only ones who can stand up to this madness--either at the border or by influencing and electing people who can change th…

I have been that guy. All of 2009-2013 or so. After being locked in secondary with no comms, food, or water for hours on hours enough times, one gives up. CBP once kicked me out of a border control point in northern Vermont, in a snowstorm, in February. I had to hitchhike simply to not freeze (my sim didn't work, so no way to call a cab, and they had sent the bus on without me, hours earlier). I've been searched, bot…

Any idea why this happens to you? Your story suggests some targeting.

Re: 1Password Travel Mode: Protect your data when crossing borders

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Post by ubernostrum »

Analemma_ wrote: post #152
eridius wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're deleting the data because you don't want to travel with that data . You're not hiding it. You literally just don't want to have access to it while you're traveling. In that sense it's no different than, say, leaving a hard drive with all your data behind (plugged into an internet-enabled computer that you can SSH in to and transfer your files back to yourself after you've crossed the border).

Read rosser's comment above. If push came to shove, your clever wordplay would amount to getting into a rules-lawyering contest with Federal prosecutors, and I promise you that is a contest you would lose.

This is starting to head down the road into absurdities, though.

If I have a laptop and phone with sensitive work information on them, and simply choose not to take them with me on a trip, would you argue that's a crime? After all, the reason I chose not to take them with me was to "conceal... with the intent to impede" CBP's ability to access all that data.

What if someone just refuses to travel to the US as long as policy allows this type of search? Would they need to be extradited for their act of concealment?

Re: 1Password Travel Mode: Protect your data when crossing borders

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Post by aldanor »

staticelf wrote: post #404
lacampbell wrote: post #350

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And the UK. And New Zealand. And I believe Canada. And...

And definately Australia and China.

Which makes Ireland the only English-speaking country where you don't expect stuff like this to happen?

Re: 1Password Travel Mode: Protect your data when crossing borders

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Post by baby »

cm2187 wrote: post #407
URSpider94 wrote: post #361

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you read the article, there is no "tell" that 1Password is in Travel Mode. The only impact is that most of your passwords are missing from the password vault, but the agent would have no way of knowing what's missing. It's not like it pops up a big "Travel Mode" banner.

Customs read these articles just like us. What if they ask you if travel mode is turned on? Will you lie?

Yes, how can they prove anything?

Re: 1Password Travel Mode: Protect your data when crossing borders

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Post by mcv »

was_boring wrote: post #369
veidr wrote: post #368

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a practical approach, and my comment here isn't necessarily aimed at you, chx (since I don't know your citizenship status), but I would add this entreaty to American citizens like me: If you ever get asked that question at the US border, please don't acquiesce to that request. They have the right to ask, and they even have the power to search it regardless of your permission, but despite an alarming drift toward…

Is the goal to resist normalization of the behavior or is to get through the security theater?

Both, but for non-Americans, getting through the security theater is not guaranteed, so they have to focus on that. For Americans, their rights are clearer and they are guaranteed to get through the security theater, so they can afford to fight the normalization of this.

Re: 1Password Travel Mode: Protect your data when crossing borders

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Post by rurban »

sandov wrote: post #241
elorant wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The solution to this problem is to not visit US.

Then Europe is going to do the same, and the solution will be to not visit Europe, and so. Eventually we won't be able to leave our country without giving up our privacy. The real solution is that people from the country protest when such an abusive policy is introduced.

Only the UK is doing the same, in France civil rights still do exist. No worries. Even if they are at war right now, and abolished civil rights for a few years.
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