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Re: New Surface Pro

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I've been using a Surface Pro 3 as my one-and-only for almost 3 years, and it really feels like time to upgrade, so I've been looking forward to this one. My workload is probably something like 40% reading, 30% writing, 25% coding, and 5% running code, and the Surface has been a nearly ideal form factor for this. The new "Surface Pro" ticks a lot of boxes for me: - Supports my existing keyboard, pen, dock, and power…

Can you run Visual Studio and all other Windows apps on the Surface?

Re: New Surface Pro

#422

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Relevant: https://www.apple.com/uk/legal/statutory-warranty/ http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/consumers/shopping/guar... I still don't understand how these make sense together...

It is perfectly clear to me, in the very link you have posted: "This 2-year guarantee is your minimum right. National rules in your country may give you extra protection: however, any deviation from EU rules must always be in the consumer's best interest." (which is the case of UK law).

From your reply I understand you didn't notice the second link, probably due to my bad formatting. Compare your analysis of the first link with what Apple states in the second. I don't understand how they can say it.

Re: New Surface Pro

#423

I got excited, then I saw prices. Then I saw the keyboard isn't even included and costs $160. Ouch. This will be $1800+ after tax, why not just get a really solid laptop at that point? Hell you could buy two solid desktops

For me personally, I bought my Surface Pro for its capabilities as a drawing tablet. Comparable dedicated drawing tablets run close to $1000, so shelling extra for a fully functional laptop was a no-brainer.

Re: New Surface Pro

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It absolutely isn't. I'm a C++ programmer working in games industry, my work machine has 64GB and all our work-issued laptops are 32GB(which is not enough to actually start local servers of our game, so doing any mobile work is quite limiting). why does this apply here: because I can easily imagine artists using this to modify some assets and trying to run the game to see what they look like, but with 16GB of ram the…

But even if Microsoft put 64GB of RAM in the surface pro, it still wouldn't be the right machine for the job you're describing.

And if you had an eGPU?

Re: New Surface Pro

#425
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Is this locked to install apps from Windows Store only?

No, that was only Surface Laptop - this is full Windows 10 Pro based on the pre-order page.

Interesting that the more laptop-y (and more expensive!) device is the more restricted one than the tablet.

Re: New Surface Pro

#426

I've been using a Surface Pro 3 as my one-and-only for almost 3 years, and it really feels like time to upgrade, so I've been looking forward to this one. My workload is probably something like 40% reading, 30% writing, 25% coding, and 5% running code, and the Surface has been a nearly ideal form factor for this. The new "Surface Pro" ticks a lot of boxes for me: - Supports my existing keyboard, pen, dock, and power…

Can you run Visual Studio and all other Windows apps on the Surface?

Yes.

Re: New Surface Pro

#427

> The most versatile laptop. ...that doesn't ship with a keyboard (pen isn't included either). No USB-C. 16GB RAM maximum.

> No USB-C. I'd say that HDMI would be make the machine a lot more versatile than USB-C (or MiniDP, for that matter). Showing a few photos on a TV, using your client's projector for an unplanned demo, using an absent coworker's screen - I can't remember how often I've envied MacBook Pro Retina users for that port. It's magic. TVs and projects are not going to switch from HDMI to USB-C either, so waiting won't solve t…

Heh... the current MacBook Pros only have USB-C ports, so MacBook users now similarly need display adapters until USB-C becomes common.

Re: New Surface Pro

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I have a SP4 and I really, really like it. But this doesn't seem to differ that much from it. Does it? :) What's new compared to SP4?

50% more battery life than the 4, fanless options for the m3 and i5 versions, on screen support for the surface dial, and a new hinge that lays a little flatter seem like the big changes. It's largely an incremental improvement.

And LTE.

It would be pretty damn surprising if you got any more than an incremental improvement this late in the game.

Re: New Surface Pro

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I have a lenovo t460p which has 32 gb of this supposedly power hungry RAM and it can make it through a workday on a charge just fine. From what I can tell, the power needs of non-LP RAM are overstated. AFAIK, the reason ultrabooks have LPDDR3 is because it is very low profile when soldered. If thin is your thing, you want LPDDR3. My t460p has a smaller footprint than a MBP, but it is as thick as a whole stack of them…

That has a 72Wh battery; the Surface Pro 4 has a 40Wh battery, and this is presumably similar. So it's a pretty big difference. The difference between LPDDR3 and DDR3 isn't dramatic in actual operation; LPDDR3 uses about 70% of the power of DDR3. It becomes a bigger deal when the machine is in standby, however; LPDDR3 uses 10% the power of DDR3. This would be a big deal for Apple, which also insists on using LPDDR3,…

I have had several windows laptops with lpddr3, and the standby battery life was never that great. Windows just isn't good at managing battery in standby. I think only apple can bring up the power argument for choosing lpddr3 because it only makes a real difference in their case.

Re: New Surface Pro

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Plus that kickstand always looked so inconvenient to me. On normal laptop I can adjust screen angle however I want. The kickstand also require a bigger surface to put it down properly. On normal laptop I am fine as long as the bottom half can fit on the table (or any flat surface), here there is need for much more space, seems very inconvenient especially when working in tight spaces like server room, car, or small c…

So buy a f*cking laptop! I'm only half-kidding - but criticizing an integral part of a product, when there are multiple alternatives with exact the feature your desire is ... silly.

>criticizing an integral part of a product, when there are multiple alternatives with exact the feature your desire is ... silly.

So hypothetically if a laptop came with 4 hours of battery life due to "muh thin and light", criticizing that is silly because other laptops have 10 hours? With that logic, nobody could have an opinion about any "integral part" of any product at all. Wew, lad.

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