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Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Criminal Justice

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Re: Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Criminal Justice

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Post by metaphorm »

the_cat_kittles wrote: post #28
fil_a_del_fee_a wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You make it seem like a Zuckerberg presidency will be anything different from a token Democrat/Republican/Celebrity candidate. They all follow the same rules of increasing military spending and increasing the gap between rich and poor. Zuck will campaign on xyz, and < 100 days later, maintain the status quo.

what a dumb thing to say. look at history- some presidents have been bad, and some good. you are saying they are all the same. wrong.

they're not all the same but s/he is correct to note that every president capitulates to the demands of the military-industrial complex and the finance-capitalist agenda.

Re: Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Criminal Justice

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Post by the_cat_kittles »

bicubic wrote: post #16
anigbrowl wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's ridiculous. He'd be more accountable in office than he is as CEO of the world's largest country. I mean, be skeptical of it by all means but banning people from running is just foolish.

He has a tool to gauge and manipulate public perception, like the current generation of political elite can only dream of. He can push any agenda he wants and have it delivered in just the right way to get the public to agree. You want a dude with that power to also be given executive control of the country?

this is a legitimate threat and its one of my biggest misgivings with him. and i dont think its realistic to think that any kind of blind trust / divestment / change in ownership would sufficiently address it. its actually almost disqualifying to me. he doesn't strike me as someone who would use it nefariously, but its stupid not to protect against that.

Re: Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Criminal Justice

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Post by the_cat_kittles »

metaphorm wrote: post #31
the_cat_kittles wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what a dumb thing to say. look at history- some presidents have been bad, and some good. you are saying they are all the same. wrong.

they're not all the same but s/he is correct to note that every president capitulates to the demands of the military-industrial complex and the finance-capitalist agenda.

i dont have illusions about political reality. but that doesn't mean that the choices we make dont matter.

Re: Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Criminal Justice

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Post by zepto »

omginternets wrote: post #13
taxicabjesus wrote: post #4

I posted about some of my passengers' justice-induced traumas: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13286085 Punishment is always counter-productive to correct the behavior of people who are "drowning": addicts, members of the under-class, children who've yet to fully mature (brain is still developing until 25 years), etc.

>brain is still developing until 25 years Careful, "developing" is very much a weasel word in these contexts. Brains are "developing" until death. That's very much their purpose: to change as a function of input. Also, "punishment" is a bit of a weasel word in this context. It's quite clear that some form of punishment is instrumental in the proper development of the brain, especially with regards to social norm. Thi…

Careful, you might be being accurate but pedantic. Rather than picking at the parent poster, why not say what you think about the issue?

Re: Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Criminal Justice

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Post by zepto »

bicubic wrote: post #7
the_cat_kittles wrote: post #6

to me, the fact that david plouffe is working with zuckerberg removes an doubt (if there was any to begin with) that mark is going to run for president. he will be close to macron's age in 2020, though still younger. shares are trading at 25 cents on the dollar in a market predicting his presidential run: https://www.predictit.org/Contract/5534/Will-Facebook's-Mark... just sitting here thinking about him, im kinda to…

At this point we need some kind of corporate blacklist of people like zuckerberg, page, and musk. And bar them from ever running for political office.

Why? How can it be worse than Trump, or a career politician? I don't see how Zuck has any worse flaws than they do, but he might be in a better position to actually understand the electorate and the modern world.

Re: Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Criminal Justice

#36

Post by nickbauman »

taxicabjesus wrote: post #4

I posted about some of my passengers' justice-induced traumas: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13286085 Punishment is always counter-productive to correct the behavior of people who are "drowning": addicts, members of the under-class, children who've yet to fully mature (brain is still developing until 25 years), etc.

Thank you for posting this. Considering just Louisiana has the highest incarceration rate ON EARTH, we in the US have a long way to go to reform our criminal justice system.

Re: Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Criminal Justice

#37

Post by omginternets »

zepto wrote: post #34
omginternets wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>brain is still developing until 25 years Careful, "developing" is very much a weasel word in these contexts. Brains are "developing" until death. That's very much their purpose: to change as a function of input. Also, "punishment" is a bit of a weasel word in this context. It's quite clear that some form of punishment is instrumental in the proper development of the brain, especially with regards to social norm. Thi…

Careful, you might be being accurate but pedantic. Rather than picking at the parent poster, why not say what you think about the issue?

Because I wanted to address this fallacious argument that appears over and over.

In case I wasn't clear: I think any sensible policy has to include punitive measures, along with adequate support.

Re: Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Criminal Justice

#38

Post by maxerickson »

zepto wrote: post #35
bicubic wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this point we need some kind of corporate blacklist of people like zuckerberg, page, and musk. And bar them from ever running for political office.

Why? How can it be worse than Trump, or a career politician? I don't see how Zuck has any worse flaws than they do, but he might be in a better position to actually understand the electorate and the modern world.

Imagine if Trump were competent (but still disinterested in people and mostly focused on self aggrandizement and accumulation of wealth and power).

Re: Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Criminal Justice

#39

Post by zepto »

omginternets wrote: post #37
zepto wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Careful, you might be being accurate but pedantic. Rather than picking at the parent poster, why not say what you think about the issue?

Because I wanted to address this fallacious argument that appears over and over. In case I wasn't clear: I think any sensible policy has to include punitive measures, along with adequate support.

You were not clear. But now that you have been, how is this anything other than empty? Who would disagree other than some fictional absolutist?

Re: Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Criminal Justice

#40

Post by fil_a_del_fee_a »

the_cat_kittles wrote: post #28
fil_a_del_fee_a wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You make it seem like a Zuckerberg presidency will be anything different from a token Democrat/Republican/Celebrity candidate. They all follow the same rules of increasing military spending and increasing the gap between rich and poor. Zuck will campaign on xyz, and < 100 days later, maintain the status quo.

what a dumb thing to say. look at history- some presidents have been bad, and some good. you are saying they are all the same. wrong.

I would say since JFK, they all have pledged allegiance to the Military Industrial Complex. Even with Trump, I had some faith based on his mentions of real issues like heroin abuse, but something changed him.. Made him fall in line.
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