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Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Criminal Justice

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Re: Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Criminal Justice

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Who cares what his motive is?

I do, in case you missed that. I don't think we should be giving people credit for PR "philanthropy".

We should. You can give someone credit for "pr_philanthropy" without giving them credit for "philanthropy". They still did a thing, and as people, they're allowed to do a thing for multiple reasons.

(Each of us are vast, and contain multitudes. We do not need to be self-consistent.)

Re: Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Criminal Justice

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post #16

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That's ridiculous. He'd be more accountable in office than he is as CEO of the world's largest country. I mean, be skeptical of it by all means but banning people from running is just foolish.

He has a tool to gauge and manipulate public perception, like the current generation of political elite can only dream of. He can push any agenda he wants and have it delivered in just the right way to get the public to agree. You want a dude with that power to also be given executive control of the country?

No, but banning him isn't the correct answer, either.

Re: Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Criminal Justice

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He has a tool to gauge and manipulate public perception, like the current generation of political elite can only dream of. He can push any agenda he wants and have it delivered in just the right way to get the public to agree. You want a dude with that power to also be given executive control of the country?

No, but banning him isn't the correct answer, either.

what is the correct answer? I think it's self-evident that Facebook has become a kind of mass propaganda tool the likes of which the world has never seen before. Do you think a constitutional republic can survive as a republic if we allow the owners of a media platform that powerful to enter politics?

Re: Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Criminal Justice

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to me, the fact that david plouffe is working with zuckerberg removes an doubt (if there was any to begin with) that mark is going to run for president. he will be close to macron's age in 2020, though still younger. shares are trading at 25 cents on the dollar in a market predicting his presidential run: https://www.predictit.org/Contract/5534/Will-Facebook's-Mark... just sitting here thinking about him, im kinda to…

You make it seem like a Zuckerberg presidency will be anything different from a token Democrat/Republican/Celebrity candidate. They all follow the same rules of increasing military spending and increasing the gap between rich and poor. Zuck will campaign on xyz, and < 100 days later, maintain the status quo.

Re: Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Criminal Justice

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post #9

I can't help but assume Zuckerberg's motive for supporting this has nothing to do with helping society, and everything to do with helping himself and his future campaign (and distracting people from Facebook's role in Trump's election).

Who cares what his motive is?

I think it's very reasonable to care. Motivations matter because they are more predictive of future behavior than just about anything else we might learn about a person.

Re: Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Criminal Justice

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post #19

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Very few people are saints but if the data is useful or interesting then I don't really care. I think probably most philanthropists have some motives besides altruism.

I'd prefer credit be given to the people actually doing the work. I think it's an insult to the people at Measures for Justice for Zuckerberg to be absorbing positive PR for their work.

The credit was given to Amy Bach repeatedly throughout the article, I'm not sure how you missed that.

One of the many funding organizations happens to be funded by Mark Zuckerberg which makes for interest catching headlines but they're certainly not alone in funding the project.

https://www.measuresforjustice.org/about/overview/

>Bach’s work has attracted the attention of the tech industry’s increasingly activist leadership. Earlier this year, Google.org awarded Measures for Justice a $1.5 million grant. Today, Mark Zuckerberg’s Chan Zuckerberg Initiative announced it is giving $6.5 million to the non-profit to help it expand into California.

Re: Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Criminal Justice

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to me, the fact that david plouffe is working with zuckerberg removes an doubt (if there was any to begin with) that mark is going to run for president. he will be close to macron's age in 2020, though still younger. shares are trading at 25 cents on the dollar in a market predicting his presidential run: https://www.predictit.org/Contract/5534/Will-Facebook's-Mark... just sitting here thinking about him, im kinda to…

You make it seem like a Zuckerberg presidency will be anything different from a token Democrat/Republican/Celebrity candidate. They all follow the same rules of increasing military spending and increasing the gap between rich and poor. Zuck will campaign on xyz, and < 100 days later, maintain the status quo.

what a dumb thing to say. look at history- some presidents have been bad, and some good. you are saying they are all the same. wrong.

Re: Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Criminal Justice

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to me, the fact that david plouffe is working with zuckerberg removes an doubt (if there was any to begin with) that mark is going to run for president. he will be close to macron's age in 2020, though still younger. shares are trading at 25 cents on the dollar in a market predicting his presidential run: https://www.predictit.org/Contract/5534/Will-Facebook's-Mark... just sitting here thinking about him, im kinda to…

A lack of charisma might be desirable in an elected official but it is a huge problem for a candidate. I also wonder why you think that a President understanding software would be especially important in reforming an agency; the actual day to day of implementing reform via software seems pretty delegable.

yea i agree about candidate. but maybe after this last cycle people's thoughts have started to change.

a president understanding software would make things like the botched heathcare.gov rollout less likely, and would help set the agenda for which things to work on. it also means that when you delegate, you are better able to decide who to delegate to. there are so many shitty contracting companies that you wouldn't know to avoid unless you understood the industry i think.

Re: Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Criminal Justice

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post #7

to me, the fact that david plouffe is working with zuckerberg removes an doubt (if there was any to begin with) that mark is going to run for president. he will be close to macron's age in 2020, though still younger. shares are trading at 25 cents on the dollar in a market predicting his presidential run: https://www.predictit.org/Contract/5534/Will-Facebook's-Mark... just sitting here thinking about him, im kinda to…

At this point we need some kind of corporate blacklist of people like zuckerberg, page, and musk. And bar them from ever running for political office.

do i think tech scions and the like make the best presidents? no. but what you are proposing is neither possible to implement, nor defensible. im sure you have some thoughts on why you dont want those people running for office, why not share those.
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