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Re: Get your loved ones off Facebook

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Post by type0 »

cyphar wrote: post #173
joshstrange wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Expecting people to take an extra step to fit your needs (email) is really almost no different from asking them to share on another platform IMHO. They aren't hiding from you, in fact I'd put money on the table that they'd happily invite you into their group or you'd have access to the photos simply by being their friend on FB. You can't walk outside the bar then complain that none of your friends want to stand in th…

> > it's no different than forcing others to smoke by the means of social pressure > Yeah... no different, except one of them causes cancer but sure, no different. And Facebook causes harm to people in other ways. It's an overly dramatic way of making the point, but the point is that people using Facebook doesn't just affect them -- it affects anyone in their social circle.

There is this article: Facebook and Twitter 'harm young people's mental health'

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/19/popular-soci...

Re: Get your loved ones off Facebook

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Post by Grangar »

jtraffic wrote: post #10
sergiotapia wrote: post #7

Delete timeline for me: - Delete account - 1st week, open facebook tab close facebook tab. - 2nd week, visit facebook once a day by accident don't login - 3rd week, visit facebook once a week, don't login - 4th week, stop visiting altogether It's been about 6 months now without an account and my wife and I are really happy about no longer have it. Try it!

It's been since 2009 since I deleted my Facebook account, and my timeline was roughly like yours for weeks 1-4. Then: - 2nd year, wonder if I should get back on to 'stay in touch.' - 3rd-5th year, never think about it - 6th year, wonder if I should get on Facebook so my family can see pictures of my kids. But, my wife does Instagram. - 8th year, smug comment on HN to show how long I've been off Facebook :).

I can beat your smug comment! I've never had Facebook at all. :D

Re: Get your loved ones off Facebook

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Post by lowkeyokay »

mcgrath_sh wrote: post #215
kafkaesq wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm simply not willing to cut people out of my life and miss out on things that are important to me because my data is mined and might be used against me. I concur that FB can be useful for finding out about stuff going in your world. But if not using a certain commercial product -- any commercial product -- means "cutting people out of your life" to any significant degree, then well... you might want to think about…

It may not be him that is dependent on a commercial product. I rarely, if ever, use Facebook as an active product. By this I mean I may post a generic status once or twice a month and may actively check my feed once or twice a week. However, if I were to completely close down my Facebook account, I would lose all of the passive information that is sent to me. This includes invitations to parties, people letting me kn…

To my experience, quitting Facebook has been quite easy. I quit four years ago. Sure, it's an extra burden on friends and acquaintances when they want to invite my to partys and such. They have to email or text me. (yeah, not on WhatsApp either). I might not hear right away when an old friend has a baby but for closer friends and family, I don't miss out on anything.

Note: I actually quit because I thought it would mean less procrastination, but then I discovered HN...

Re: Get your loved ones off Facebook

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Post by mgorenstein »

newscracker wrote: post #252
mgorenstein wrote: post #236

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I didn't create the original scripts, which are indeed focused on content deletion. Having fumbled around with various possibilities for the last week or so, I'd guess that the most robust solution to data export from FB would require use of a scraper to extract individual items from the activity log. Ideally that scraper would also visit and clone referent posts (i.e. if I once commented on a post, also save the pos…

Scraping pages has limitations, and may also be prohibited/banned on the platform depending on how it's done (there are some Terms of Use and permission request forms to fill in if scraping is done by programs - I'm not sure if it applies to all kinds of scrapers, including personal ones). The way digi.me and other similar solutions work is by getting the user to authorize the app and use that authorization with the…

Yeah, I'd like if there were a straightforward way to access the same content via the API, and perhaps this is possible. I was unsuccessful. I'd made an attempt to grab all photos I've ever been tagged in, which I was able to accomplish using the approach I described in my last comment, solely through the API, but was only able to access those photos currently on my timeline (a much smaller set).

My suspicion is that services like digi.me similarly won't have access to anything beyond the timeline. Have you used digi.me?

Re: Get your loved ones off Facebook

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Post by CaptainZapp »

joshstrange wrote: post #128

It won't be a popular opinion here but here it goes: Well if it all goes to hell we will all be in the same handbasket. I'm simply not willing to cut people out of my life and miss out on things that are important to me because my data is mined and might be used against me. All these distributed platforms are a joke, no really they are technically cool but no one I care about is on them. Maybe if your entire social c…

I'm writing that from a position of having given up my Facebook account in 2012.

  Like it or not there is a social stigma around NOT having a FB account.
That's absolutely true, but you know what? I really don't give a fuck! If your service is only available via Facebook login. Tough luck. You just lost me as a customer.

I'd even extend that thought to the current craze of US border control agents allegedly requiring your social media credentials for allowing you into the country.

Assuming that Facebook is a requirement to be allowed into the US, well, there's a host of other wonderful places to visit.

A world where you are required to do Twitter, Facebook or Instagram is a sad place, indeed.

Re: Get your loved ones off Facebook

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Post by bargl »

aantix wrote: post #60
bargl wrote: post #58

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I think only the first two paragraphs are controversial, I am sitting at 9 points on my post (which is the exact same) but someone else may have upvoted, or someone who saw this might have upvoted. IDK but it's an interesting experiment.

Agree, great experiment. Thanks for sharing the point total.

31 points as of 10 PST. Very interesting. I may do this more in the future and write something about it, I appreciate your help!

Re: Get your loved ones off Facebook

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Post by scottschulthess »

kafkaesq wrote: post #211
joshstrange wrote: post #128

It won't be a popular opinion here but here it goes: Well if it all goes to hell we will all be in the same handbasket. I'm simply not willing to cut people out of my life and miss out on things that are important to me because my data is mined and might be used against me. All these distributed platforms are a joke, no really they are technically cool but no one I care about is on them. Maybe if your entire social c…

I'm simply not willing to cut people out of my life and miss out on things that are important to me because my data is mined and might be used against me. I concur that FB can be useful for finding out about stuff going in your world. But if not using a certain commercial product -- any commercial product -- means "cutting people out of your life" to any significant degree, then well... you might want to think about…

IME it's all about keeping in touch with people that you can't physically because they've moved away.

Re: Get your loved ones off Facebook

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Post by scottschulthess »

CaptainZapp wrote: post #276
joshstrange wrote: post #128

It won't be a popular opinion here but here it goes: Well if it all goes to hell we will all be in the same handbasket. I'm simply not willing to cut people out of my life and miss out on things that are important to me because my data is mined and might be used against me. All these distributed platforms are a joke, no really they are technically cool but no one I care about is on them. Maybe if your entire social c…

I'm writing that from a position of having given up my Facebook account in 2012. Like it or not there is a social stigma around NOT having a FB account. That's absolutely true, but you know what? I really don't give a fuck! If your service is only available via Facebook login. Tough luck. You just lost me as a customer. I'd even extend that thought to the current craze of US border control agents allegedly requiring…

I usually think people who don't have Facebook are cooler than me

Re: Get your loved ones off Facebook

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Post by SaintSal »

newscracker wrote: post #256
gh1 wrote: post #93

Is there a way to enjoy all the advantages of the fb stack while preventing this breach of privacy? Would love to know how if someone has ideas.

One can only minimize the privacy related ill effects, not eliminate them completely. To start with, see my recommendations on using Facebook from a browser (and never an app) in another comment on this post. [1] [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14395789

The issue with technical interventions is that you're still allowing FB to collect information on you via other means via their TOS. I haven't read the latest TOS but at the time I did, they could trade your data with your bank because you've allowed that.
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