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First Rule of Google Fuchsia OS Is to Not to Talk About It

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Re: First Rule of Google Fuchsia OS Is to Not to Talk About It

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Post by tyingq »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #27
tyingq wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can appreciate that, but I am also not excited about a walled garden growing around desktop.

Given that Google is progressively building higher and higher walls around Android, thinking a Google project is going to save you from walled gardens is perhaps a bit silly. Right now it's not marketable, but once it is, expect the business people at Google to start pushing Play Services and the like onto this platform too. That being said, there's a lot of things about Fuchsia that are pretty interesting, and I'm d…

> thinking a Google project is going to save you from walled gardens is perhaps a bit silly

Not sure where you got that impression. I do not think this project will save me from anything.

Re: First Rule of Google Fuchsia OS Is to Not to Talk About It

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Post by hnur »

tyingq wrote: post #3

Saw this rant about Fuchsia on reddit that appears on the surface to make some good points: https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/6a026o/googles... Not my area of expertise for sure though. Any kernel dev types here had a chance to look at Fuchsia? Is the criticism warranted? Update: Fixed link to point at the right comment. Edit: Should have mentioned the tone is a bit over the top. More interested in the ac…

Well there is this: https://lwn.net/Articles/718267/

Re: First Rule of Google Fuchsia OS Is to Not to Talk About It

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Post by bitmapbrother »

CountSessine wrote: post #15
tyingq wrote: post #3

Saw this rant about Fuchsia on reddit that appears on the surface to make some good points: https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/6a026o/googles... Not my area of expertise for sure though. Any kernel dev types here had a chance to look at Fuchsia? Is the criticism warranted? Update: Fixed link to point at the right comment. Edit: Should have mentioned the tone is a bit over the top. More interested in the ac…

We all have bad days, but some of this rant is really toxic. Dear god. I looked at the kernel and it's awful Stuff real operating systems have solved decades ago WTF? This is hilarious. Did they decide to reinvent all the wheels badly just because someone at Google was bored? The ex kernel developer in me feels insulted that a serious company would release something this immature So, have they actually released Fusch…

>The ex kernel developer in me

He seems to be reciprocating the years of criticisms and verbal abuse given to him by Torvalds.

Re: First Rule of Google Fuchsia OS Is to Not to Talk About It

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Post by wmf »

saghm wrote: post #28
gwbas1c wrote: post #20

My guess is that some Google engineers started an OS project to scratch their own itch, or to test the waters on an anticipated business problem. Detailed speculation is probably useless at this point. That being said, I really think the time is ripe for a new desktop OS. There's a lot of lessons from iOS and Android that just aren't showing up on Mac and Windows.

When I first found out about Fuchsia (and from the comments on the HN post), I got the impression that it was supposed to be designed for both laptop/desktop (which excited me) and for mobile (which I couldn't care less about), but all the news I've read about it from third parties seem to describe it almost exclusively as a mobile OS. Is this just the media focusing on the parts that they think nontechnical people w…

From what I've read the current UX is mobile-only but that really means nothing at such an early stage of development.

Re: First Rule of Google Fuchsia OS Is to Not to Talk About It

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Post by tyingq »

bitmapbrother wrote: post #33
CountSessine wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We all have bad days, but some of this rant is really toxic. Dear god. I looked at the kernel and it's awful Stuff real operating systems have solved decades ago WTF? This is hilarious. Did they decide to reinvent all the wheels badly just because someone at Google was bored? The ex kernel developer in me feels insulted that a serious company would release something this immature So, have they actually released Fusch…

>The ex kernel developer in me He seems to be reciprocating the years of criticisms and verbal abuse given to him by Torvalds.

His comments sound more like he contributed to one of the BSD kernels.

Re: First Rule of Google Fuchsia OS Is to Not to Talk About It

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Post by bitmapbrother »

gwbas1c wrote: post #20

My guess is that some Google engineers started an OS project to scratch their own itch, or to test the waters on an anticipated business problem. Detailed speculation is probably useless at this point. That being said, I really think the time is ripe for a new desktop OS. There's a lot of lessons from iOS and Android that just aren't showing up on Mac and Windows.

Or they wanted their own development platform that they had full control over. Having a RTOS OS that they can use anywhere from cars to phones is also a nice to have.

Re: First Rule of Google Fuchsia OS Is to Not to Talk About It

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Post by bitmapbrother »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #27
tyingq wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can appreciate that, but I am also not excited about a walled garden growing around desktop.

Given that Google is progressively building higher and higher walls around Android, thinking a Google project is going to save you from walled gardens is perhaps a bit silly. Right now it's not marketable, but once it is, expect the business people at Google to start pushing Play Services and the like onto this platform too. That being said, there's a lot of things about Fuchsia that are pretty interesting, and I'm d…

Right on time.

Re: First Rule of Google Fuchsia OS Is to Not to Talk About It

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Post by johansch »

spun wrote: post #19
drewg123 wrote: post #16

The first rule of almost any project at Google is not to talk about it. It the only job I've ever had where I could not tell my wife anything about my work, aside from how lunch was. My wife joked that Google was almost as paranoid as the DoD or NSA, and thought it was very presumptuous of them to force so much secrecy.

I had the same experience at Amazon with their secret projects, including each iteration of their kindle fires

Yeah, every company kinda does this. It seems like most of the the time it's a combination of:

a) we have no idea if this is unique or not (hint: a Kindle Fire revision probably isn't)

b) it makes things seem more exciting.

The weird thing about Fuchsia is that all of the development is done in the open, but noone wants to give any context.

Re: First Rule of Google Fuchsia OS Is to Not to Talk About It

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Post by [deleted] »

spun wrote: post #19
drewg123 wrote: post #16

The first rule of almost any project at Google is not to talk about it. It the only job I've ever had where I could not tell my wife anything about my work, aside from how lunch was. My wife joked that Google was almost as paranoid as the DoD or NSA, and thought it was very presumptuous of them to force so much secrecy.

I had the same experience at Amazon with their secret projects, including each iteration of their kindle fires

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Re: First Rule of Google Fuchsia OS Is to Not to Talk About It

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Post by s73ver »

CountSessine wrote: post #15
tyingq wrote: post #3

Saw this rant about Fuchsia on reddit that appears on the surface to make some good points: https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/6a026o/googles... Not my area of expertise for sure though. Any kernel dev types here had a chance to look at Fuchsia? Is the criticism warranted? Update: Fixed link to point at the right comment. Edit: Should have mentioned the tone is a bit over the top. More interested in the ac…

We all have bad days, but some of this rant is really toxic. Dear god. I looked at the kernel and it's awful Stuff real operating systems have solved decades ago WTF? This is hilarious. Did they decide to reinvent all the wheels badly just because someone at Google was bored? The ex kernel developer in me feels insulted that a serious company would release something this immature So, have they actually released Fusch…

On the one hand, the tone is pretty bad, and if someone on my team had done this in a code review, I'd have to have a serious discussion with them.

On the other hand, it's a reddit comment.

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