Live data from Hacker News

The Heroin Business Is Booming in America

bloomberg.com

31–40 of 195 posts

Re: The Heroin Business Is Booming in America

#31
Legalize and tax/regulate production, purity, etc. Outlaw all marketing.

Invest all profits in the following:

1) Ensuring all children have an attuned attachment figure / parents have free (or even incentivized) training to learn how to attune emotionally.

2) Psychedelic therapy centers to help heal the underlying addiction along with support and integration.

3) Community gardens / organic food production & affordable housing.

Re: The Heroin Business Is Booming in America

#32

The drug war has failed. Legalize all drugs and tax them. Spend the tax money on rehab, schools, and public universities. We are just propping up drug lords in Latin America to feed our insatiable demand for drugs.

How does legalizing fix or reduce addictions? I understand it makes acquisition less taboo, and perhaps makes treatment a less taboo subject too, but it's not like legalization is a pancea for addiction. Booze is legal and we still have a massive alcoholism problem.

I think you only have to compare the Prohibition America with today's America to understand why the current system is much more preferable to former.

When alcohol was illegal, we had gangsters like Al Capone. They built their empires and profited massively from illicit activity (not just smuggling but also violent crimes) at the expense of the American government and people. They also didn't pay a single dime in taxes despite all the profit they made.

The parallel to that is today's war on drugs and the drug lords it has given rise to.

Re: The Heroin Business Is Booming in America

#33
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does legalizing fix or reduce addictions? I understand it makes acquisition less taboo, and perhaps makes treatment a less taboo subject too, but it's not like legalization is a pancea for addiction. Booze is legal and we still have a massive alcoholism problem.

tl;dr: To put it one last way: if drugs were legal, the pharmaceutical industry would be free to iterate on making recreational drugs, that don't have the drawbacks of the things people currently make in back alleys. The taboo truth is people do drugs because they are fun, and people want the drugs that are fun to do, and don't have negative health consequences. Many drugs are relatively safe to do (in small quantiti…

Skydiving is actually fairly safe, see http://www.uspa.org/facts-faqs/safety for stats. There were 0.0061 fatalities per 1000 jumps in 2015 .

Re: The Heroin Business Is Booming in America

#34

The drug war has failed. Legalize all drugs and tax them. Spend the tax money on rehab, schools, and public universities. We are just propping up drug lords in Latin America to feed our insatiable demand for drugs.

How does legalizing fix or reduce addictions? I understand it makes acquisition less taboo, and perhaps makes treatment a less taboo subject too, but it's not like legalization is a pancea for addiction. Booze is legal and we still have a massive alcoholism problem.

it doesn't. it simply saves trillions of dollars of spending and turns it into revenue.

Re: The Heroin Business Is Booming in America

#35
post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many of the opioid addicts in the US are people who got legal meds through irresponsible prescribing. Legal opioids have caused massive addiction, and massive harm. The drug war clearly isn't working, and all drugs should be legalised, but we need to recognise that legal drugs will cause harm.

> that legal drugs will cause harm. The GP specifically said to "tax them and spend the money on rehab and education", so I assume he did recognize this.

That approach doesn't seem to have worked so well for alcohol.

Re: The Heroin Business Is Booming in America

#36

>Millions of Americans got hooked on pain pills during a prescription binge that started in the 1990s and peaked around 2011. As states have tightened monitoring and doctors have reduced dosages, it’s become harder for addicts to get prescription painkillers, driving many to get their fix off street drugs. I feel like the legalization of Marijuana years ago could have saved a lot of folks while helping them manage th…

[deleted]

Re: The Heroin Business Is Booming in America

#38
I think a lot of it comes down to the pharmaceutical companies. Instead of legalizing drugs and getting into some infinite loop of creating new addicts and spending the tax money to rehab & educate them, etc., we need to regulate the pharmaceutical companies. Shocking: In U.S. real estate, service providers (title companies, home inspection companies, etc.) are not allowed to give "kick-backs" to Realtors. But, we have pharmaceutical companies providing HUGE kick-backs to doctors for prescribing their patients meds they don't need.

Re: The Heroin Business Is Booming in America

#39
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does legalizing fix or reduce addictions? I understand it makes acquisition less taboo, and perhaps makes treatment a less taboo subject too, but it's not like legalization is a pancea for addiction. Booze is legal and we still have a massive alcoholism problem.

Legalization doesn't fix addiction. It fixes the sub-culture, the underground, the dark layers in society where addicts lurk in order to be able to continue their addiction. Legalization brings these people into society, by removing the stigma associated with drug use, and makes it less of a problem to be swept under the rug. It makes it easier to contact addicts and get them into effective treatment programs. Right…

Just to add one more thing to this excellent comment: legalization also makes it much easier to undertake scientific studies/research of the effect of (currently) illicit drugs, which might actually help us understand them better. e.g. we know very well exactly how much alcohol is considered "safe" or causing least damage; but we still don't know about the long term effects of e.g. MJ.

Re: The Heroin Business Is Booming in America

#40
post #30

We invaded Afghanistan--the world's largest producer of poppies for heroin and opium--in 2001. Production has also been on the rise since then. An interesting correlation.

Opium production was virtually eliminated in Afghanistan before we invaded, by the Taliban, whom we thanked for doing such great work. We also granted Afghanistan $43 million to help farmers no longer profiting off poppy fields through a drought. http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/20/world/taliban-s-ban-on-pop...

Right. Which is exactly what I said. Production has been on the rise since 2001.
Post reply on HN