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One Step Closer to a Closed Internet

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Re: One Step Closer to a Closed Internet

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Post by falcolas »

a2decrow wrote: post #22
TJ-14 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

American decisions can set precedents which other countries follow, and are often pushed by their trade policies. They also affect American IT companies, which are used by people all over the world. There's good reason for non-Americans to care about the American Internet.

If this forces non-US Americans to use US IT company services less, there are less angles the US government can use to spy on the rest of the world. Plus, data protection laws in other countries (especially European ones) are far more restrictive. I don't think there's any reason for us non-US-Americans to care at all about the US internet. Just like we don't care about pretty much anything else that's happening in t…

Well, at least at currently, the "US Internet" includes IANA, Google, Amazon, Netflix, Facebook, Verisign and a majority of the root DNS servers...

Changes made to the "US Internet" are going to absolutely affect the wider world right now.

Re: One Step Closer to a Closed Internet

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Post by jackmott »

theprop wrote: post #24

While I think this is a terrible idea, there's not that much to worry about for us as ordinary internet users. There's not going to be a slow & fast lane, at least not anytime soon. ISPs want net neutrality banned so they can "extort" money from Google, Facebook, YouTube, Netflix (to some extent in place), Amazon, etc. They're going to artificially slow those big, rich sites down unless they pay up. Netflix already i…

>there's not that much to worry about for us as ordinary internet users.

>"extort" money from Google, Facebook, YouTube, Netflix

That's going to degrade my experience or raise my bills at those sites, and make it impossible to make informed decisions when picking an ISP, as I won't know the true costs involved.

Re: One Step Closer to a Closed Internet

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Post by 8ytecoder »

Kholo wrote: post #26
durandal1 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My Stockholm apartment had multiple ISPs competing for service over fiber laid down by a state-owned company. In 2007 this meant symmetric 100mbit for about $30/month.

Do you use the bandwidth? Just curious what you do with it.

My TV alone uses 25Mbps (when playing 4k).

Re: One Step Closer to a Closed Internet

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Post by MichaelApproved »

Kholo wrote: post #26
durandal1 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My Stockholm apartment had multiple ISPs competing for service over fiber laid down by a state-owned company. In 2007 this meant symmetric 100mbit for about $30/month.

Do you use the bandwidth? Just curious what you do with it.

Not OP but I live in NYC and have 200mb down and 20mb up for $70/month. 200mb down isn't so important. Even with a family of 5 streaming, 100mb would be plenty of bandwidth.

For me, the more important part of the connection is the upstream. the larger that number is, the more I can move towards 100% real-time offsite backup.

That's important in case of fire, theft or other catastrophic issue happening.

Re: One Step Closer to a Closed Internet

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Post by kbenson »

orthecreedence wrote: post #15
easygenes wrote: post #7

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Don't forget about the SpaceX satellite grid going up.

This would be a decent competitive alternative if it truly delivers. My concern would be that this is, once again, a private company on private infrastructure. So although we've added another competitor to the mix (for a grand total of between 1 and 3 in most areas) we would still rely on heavy government regulation to protect Net Neutrality. I don't trust any companies at this point to keep my best interests in mind…

Yes, it is a private company on private infrastructure, but at least it would be competition for existing infrastructure where it exists. That's better than nothing.

Re: One Step Closer to a Closed Internet

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Post by YCode »

amcca029 wrote: post #9

We need to take a ground up approach to solving this, get open infrastructure into the community and build local isps. Over time replace our broken network with a new generation.

ISPs in the U.S. are already way out in front of this on both legislative and legal fronts.

They help write and push state legislation to make this difficult/impossible and sue anyone who tries into oblivion while finding ways to deny access to the supposedly shared lines tax dollars paid to build.

Not saying it could never work, but that's a hell of an uphill battle to take on.

I'm convinced the disruptive change to this mess will be some kind of WiFi mesh-based network that pushes ISPs out of the loop. I'm just not sure how you'd go about porting that mesh network back into the regular Internet since local ISPs would control all the gateways.

Re: One Step Closer to a Closed Internet

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Post by rglover »

mulletbum wrote: post #20
durandal1 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My Stockholm apartment had multiple ISPs competing for service over fiber laid down by a state-owned company. In 2007 this meant symmetric 100mbit for about $30/month.

I live in the country and have this right now. 100mb for $50 or 1000mb for $100.

Buhhhhhhh. Lucky.

Re: One Step Closer to a Closed Internet

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Post by unityByFreedom »

ianai wrote: post #6

Make no mistake, regulations like this can lead to bubble bursts. This could very well be a first step toward the end of the current technology boom. Silicon Valley should be nothing but up in arms. Or, SV should be working on technological ways to circumvent throttles based on content.

I agree. I think this is a money grab, from which we'll see no added benefit. Content providers, and ourselves, will be hurt, while ISPs play god with who gets access to what.
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