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One Step Closer to a Closed Internet

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Re: One Step Closer to a Closed Internet

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post #6

Make no mistake, regulations like this can lead to bubble bursts. This could very well be a first step toward the end of the current technology boom. Silicon Valley should be nothing but up in arms. Or, SV should be working on technological ways to circumvent throttles based on content.

Getting rid of 35-50 megabyte "text" pages would be a good start.

Re: One Step Closer to a Closed Internet

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post #3

"this decision leads to an internet that benefits Internet Service Providers" I would correct this to: "this decision leads to an American internet that benefits Internet Service Providers" The FCC can really only screw up the Internet for Americans. If you're an Internet user not in North America there's very little reason for you to care about the decision the FCC made today.

American decisions can set precedents which other countries follow, and are often pushed by their trade policies. They also affect American IT companies, which are used by people all over the world. There's good reason for non-Americans to care about the American Internet.

If this forces non-US Americans to use US IT company services less, there are less angles the US government can use to spy on the rest of the world. Plus, data protection laws in other countries (especially European ones) are far more restrictive.

I don't think there's any reason for us non-US-Americans to care at all about the US internet. Just like we don't care about pretty much anything else that's happening in the US.

Re: One Step Closer to a Closed Internet

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I want to say this first: I love net neutrality and I support it 100%. That said, I think this battle will go on forever until either - We have a decentralized network anybody can plug into without ISPs (mesh net) or - Cities build their own fiber infrastructure (or 4G towers for rural areas) and rent it out to companies. Cable/DSL become a thing of the past, and you connect via radio/public wifi/direct fiber. This b…

Don't forget about the SpaceX satellite grid going up.

If it's more reliable than satellite TV has proven to be, and has a reasonable latency, then yeah. Another competitor will be quite welcome, especially in rural areas.

Re: One Step Closer to a Closed Internet

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While I think this is a terrible idea, there's not that much to worry about for us as ordinary internet users. There's not going to be a slow & fast lane, at least not anytime soon. ISPs want net neutrality banned so they can "extort" money from Google, Facebook, YouTube, Netflix (to some extent in place), Amazon, etc. They're going to artificially slow those big, rich sites down unless they pay up. Netflix already is paying Verizon fees to avoid being throttled (btw the throttling was easily demonstrated by using a VPN to mask the Netflix traffic, speeds went way up). This is analogous to the AdBlock extortion racket where they charge Google to allow Google's ads through AdBlock.

Re: One Step Closer to a Closed Internet

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"this decision leads to an internet that benefits Internet Service Providers" I would correct this to: "this decision leads to an American internet that benefits Internet Service Providers" The FCC can really only screw up the Internet for Americans. If you're an Internet user not in North America there's very little reason for you to care about the decision the FCC made today.

>"If you're an Internet user not in North America there's very little reason for you to care about the decision the FCC made today."

From the post:

"The result: ISPs would be able to once again prioritize, block and throttle with impunity. This means fewer opportunities for startups and entrepreneurs, and a chilling effect on innovation, free expression and choice online"

Do you not believe that the global internet has benefitted from North American tech companies that were able to innovate in part because they did't have to contend with gatekeepers and paid prioritization of traffic? Would Youtube have been possible under such a regime? Don't people from all over the globe consume Youtube content?

Additionally Ajat Pai is an ex Verizon lawyer. Verizon being half of the broadband duopoly in the US. Most countries have some similar former PTT(post telephone telgraph) monopoly/duopoly. This action sets a precedent for any other countries where the monopoly/duopoly is seeking to enact a similar gatekeeper/pay to play regime where there now stands an open internet.

Re: One Step Closer to a Closed Internet

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I want to say this first: I love net neutrality and I support it 100%. That said, I think this battle will go on forever until either - We have a decentralized network anybody can plug into without ISPs (mesh net) or - Cities build their own fiber infrastructure (or 4G towers for rural areas) and rent it out to companies. Cable/DSL become a thing of the past, and you connect via radio/public wifi/direct fiber. This b…

My Stockholm apartment had multiple ISPs competing for service over fiber laid down by a state-owned company. In 2007 this meant symmetric 100mbit for about $30/month.

Do you use the bandwidth? Just curious what you do with it.

Re: One Step Closer to a Closed Internet

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Let's all agree that your opinion is the correct one and go from there? That's a bold rhetorical maneuver, do you find that it ever works?

I've yet to see a viable, informed argument against NN given our current market/options.

I agree. While I would prefer a market in which we let competition decide how it goes, as it prevents the government from getting involved, there is no market for the majority of Americans. I moved from MD to PA to now CA and every place I go I have had zero alternatives to Comcast. Zero. AT&T told me they would have to run lines to my house at some insane cost (I think it was like $20k or something? It's been many years).

If there is an alternative that's realistic to implement I would be very interested but I haven't heard one.

Re: One Step Closer to a Closed Internet

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post #6

Make no mistake, regulations like this can lead to bubble bursts. This could very well be a first step toward the end of the current technology boom. Silicon Valley should be nothing but up in arms. Or, SV should be working on technological ways to circumvent throttles based on content.

When startups are de-regulated out of existence by barrier to entry costs, big companies can look forward to both real and perceived lower innovation costs. The bubble may burst but a few tech companies will be more profitable than ever

Re: One Step Closer to a Closed Internet

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My Stockholm apartment had multiple ISPs competing for service over fiber laid down by a state-owned company. In 2007 this meant symmetric 100mbit for about $30/month.

I live in the country and have this right now. 100mb for $50 or 1000mb for $100.

Goddamn. In our area it's 10€ for 100 and 20€ for 1Gb.

Re: One Step Closer to a Closed Internet

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post #21
post #6

Make no mistake, regulations like this can lead to bubble bursts. This could very well be a first step toward the end of the current technology boom. Silicon Valley should be nothing but up in arms. Or, SV should be working on technological ways to circumvent throttles based on content.

Getting rid of 35-50 megabyte "text" pages would be a good start.

I think you just made me a proponent of ending net neutrality! /s
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