without a single line of programming code A bold statement that doesn't really seem to be supported by:
Mavo – A new, approachable way to create Web applications
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#32Open this in IE 11 and scroll below "A new, approachable way to create Web applications" - prepare to laugh!
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#33Congratulations Lea Verou and MIT CSAIL! I'm curious about if you've done any research with this experiment yet and if so where can I find it? I'm very curious on ways to make programming more friendly/approachable, but I have found very little research that even begins to examine what a friendly/approachable programming language would even look like.
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#34I could see this being useful for individual or small businesses that don't have a tech savvy or IT staff. The business pays a web designer to set up the site. The content can then get updated over time. WordPress sometimes is overkill and something simpler is definitely a plus.
Might as well just use vanilla HTML, CSS and JS... no?
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#35I don't understand why there is such negativity about this. They state it is not perfect and it is work in progress near the bottom of intro. What I like about this, is that it allows quickly to make simpler sites that can be edited. I don't want to program upload images ever again, or edit fields. Why do this?! Anyhow, storage seems to be confusing some of you, they explain/document that here http://mavo.io/docs/sto…
It looks like you would end up with one html page per page in the site. And when you have 50 pages or more and decides to change the structure you would have to change all the pages. I'm not even sure the tool supports that, you might have to start with git and a standard html editor and change all files. Then you are back to editing html and have not gained much. For _very_ simple sites this might help and it does look very nice.
Re: Mavo – A new, approachable way to create Web applications
#36Congratulations Lea Verou and MIT CSAIL! I'm curious about if you've done any research with this experiment yet and if so where can I find it? I'm very curious on ways to make programming more friendly/approachable, but I have found very little research that even begins to examine what a friendly/approachable programming language would even look like.
Yup, we have! Here's the paper: http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=2984551 and here's an open version: http://people.csail.mit.edu/karger/Papers/mavo.pdf Look at the References and you'll find more :) There's a whole area of research about end-user programming, though it doesn't usually involve languages, but more GUIs.
Re: Mavo – A new, approachable way to create Web applications
#37Congratulations Lea Verou and MIT CSAIL! I'm curious about if you've done any research with this experiment yet and if so where can I find it? I'm very curious on ways to make programming more friendly/approachable, but I have found very little research that even begins to examine what a friendly/approachable programming language would even look like.
Yup, we have! Here's the paper: http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=2984551 and here's an open version: http://people.csail.mit.edu/karger/Papers/mavo.pdf Look at the References and you'll find more :) There's a whole area of research about end-user programming, though it doesn't usually involve languages, but more GUIs.
This has great potential to democratize the building of simple website applications for the masses. Great concept so far!
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#38Re: Mavo – A new, approachable way to create Web applications
#39without a single line of programming code A bold statement that doesn't really seem to be supported by:
Spreadsheets have function calls as well, and yet non-programmers can use them. We don't care about making a theoretically pure distinction, we care about making something that non-programmers can actually use.
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#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
Might as well just use vanilla HTML, CSS and JS... no?
That cannot be updated by the non-technical people in the company.
It seems just like Angular to me - and worse, buggy Angular: how does "Born on time property="birthday" datetime="2014-06-01" 1 Jun 2014 /time" get transformed into "Adam Catlace Born on 1 May 2014"? ( http://mavo.io/docs/primer/ , current Google Chrome, version 58, no extensions, no weird timezone one month behind the rest of the world)
The language does seem nice for the tasks at hand, and the learning curve looks shallow, but you are overhyping it way too much ("no programming", "better readable").